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Again, you are mixing issues trying to score a point. No one says that Miami was better than UNC in 2012. UNC was ineligible though, making Miami the coastal champs. The school decided not to accept the championship so GT got it. That ACC coastal title, is according to you, the main reason...

You said the difference for you was that Richt won the coastal. Your words, not mine. 1. It's a silly thing for that to be your deciding factor since Golden also won the coastal by default in 2012. The school admin (not the NCAA or ACC) denied him the opportunity to play in the game, meaning...

Miami was not banned for breaking the rules. Neither the NCAA nor the ACC had imposed any penalty on Miami in 2012. Miami chose not to go even though the Canes won the division due to owning the tiebreaker over GT.

You are conflating two things. Richts best season was 10-3. Golden's best was 9-4. You said that Richt winning the ACC coastal clinches it for you. In 2012, UNC was banned from the postseason by the NCAA and ineligible to win the division. So that means the division winner had to come...

Golden went 9-4, Richt went 10-3. That's worth 2+ million dollars extra a season? If you think so, I yield to your opinion (and will also forever avoid taking business advice from you)

I see it the same. Richt was the far preferable coach on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, and Wed. There wasn't much difference though on Saturdays and the occasional Thursday game. Oh and I think the Pitt debacle was on a Friday. No forgiveness or excuse for that one.

Sure. I think it's a distinction without a difference- Richt managed to make it to the ACC championship and got blown out, Golden could have also played in the ACC championship game and got blown out. You could also say Richt was superior because he coached 3 bowl games to Golden's 1. Sounds...

Well, seeing as some of us suspect Richt was suffering from early onset Alzheimer's, you may be more right than you realize in your last sentence there.

Except he would have by default if the school hadn't self imposed since UNC was ineligible. I think Miami owned the tiebreaker over GT. BOT was trying to avoid the death penalty for the Shapiro scandal so the Miami BOT prevented Miami from playing in the ACC championship game (neither NCAA...

I don't hate Richt because of religion. I don't "hate" him or Golden. I just think it's odd that Golden is universally reviled while lots of fans think Richt resurrected the program. I think it boils down to 1 game- Richt won 10, Golden won 9. If anything, I think Richt being religious and...

It's kinda eerie how similar Golden and Richt's tenures were at Miami. Richt gets credit for getting Miami to #2, then the team falling apart. He won 10 games so he gets praised. Golden got Miami to #7, then the team fell apart but "only" won 9 games. I think the team collapsing after...

Come on, man, I wasn't trying to pile on Ol Rick. Lol. I just wonder what kind of success Miami would have had if Golden had put aside his ego, fired DNo and switched to a 4-3 (even if Manny wasn't the DC). Wasnt Bill Young the DC when Golden was hired or had he taken another job? Golden...

I still think Golden was a better overall recruiter than Rick. Look at the NFL talent that was still coming out of Miami even on a 6 win team. That 10 win team a couple years ago was mostly Golden's players. Year 3 when Rick had more of his recruits playing, the team was not good and he was...