kryptonite said:

BWAAHHHAHAHAHA

Dude, there's like 3 guys who are "insiders" and 6 more who understand football film on a deep level. But without the rest of us morans, there's no sight. So take a bow, you're part of what makes this place happen.

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3? Let’s not get carried away.

Great stuff @Roman Marciante ! Keep up the great work! Re-visiting your previous evaluations is extremely interesting and helpful and allows all of us to see if any progress/regress has occurred.

Roman and others. Thanks for the affirmation. Roman. When things slow down I for one would find it interesting if you could do a series of what to look for in evaluating a certain player by position. For instance you mentioned that you watched Perry's hands as a leading indicator that he was about to bail on a pass play and run. That's really good stuff.

mianjomar said:

Roman and others. Thanks for the affirmation. Roman. When things slow down I for one would find it interesting if you could do a series of what to look for in evaluating a certain player by position. For instance you mentioned that you watched Perry's hands as a leading indicator that he was about to bail on a pass play and run. That's really good stuff.

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Hey this is a great question, I do not know if I can extrapolate this into a series, but in the interim I could just tell you somethings I focus on in terms of quarterback film. Primarily I tend to do an abridged version because full ones tend to be extremely word consumptive. Worded pieces tend to meet a lot of backlash in this arena and it was really a honed in focus when I was on TOS.

Feet: Ultimately the basics I am looking for in the feet, are 1. direction 2. distance 3. repeat-ability without pressure. Questions I ask myself, is the QB not in line with the target? Falling away from his target? Is he an over stride guy? And is he consistent with his drops? I will also look how a QB works back up in the pocket and how he was taught to reset, some like to kick dirt and reset (Choppy feet) or some simply have no clue. That last part usually parlays me into looking for QB's who can throw from alternate platforms. Essentially a defender is in his face, cant step into a throw, or flushed from the pocket, what does his feet do then.

Rhythm: Big for me because of Richt's system at Miami. When the QB plants that back foot does the ball come out with conviction, "on time" and to the right guy. On time is the key. Sometimes it gets tricky when OC's might run split level concepts and the rhythm on opposite sides of the field are disjointed. That is not a qb's fault that is an OC prerogative. But ultimately a QB who shows really good rhythm repeat-ability tends to be a more concise pre read diagnostician and understands where the ball needs to go. This might be one of my most coveted traits in conjunction with Accuracy.

Under Rhythm I check for anticipation. Not overly hard concept. On every single QB throw I see, I ask, "Was it late?" From there I see at the point of the release was the WR "high school open?" or was he "thrown open" Big difference. I can just say that in a 14 minute highlight tape when I find no instances of WR's being thrown open or a lot of late balls, big warning sign for me.

Accuracy: I look for where the receiver is catching the ball and does the receiver have run after the catch potential. I will always fact check with the QB's accuracy numbers statistically. I look for if he is short changing deep balls and is that deep ball being thrown away from the safety and on the outside when its supposed to. Deep ball accuracy goes in play here as well.

Arm Strength: Easy trait to key on. I have a formula. Overall distance by charting the farthest throw on film plus trajectory on mid line routes. If a guy throws plus 65 and I see a wide side out with no drop off? Like from 0 position to the WR shows like a straight line? That kid has a cannon. Another thing over the years I have learned to pick up on is if the OC actually calls a comeback or wide side out. So that involves charting throw types. I just learned if I don't see certain routes, that means the OC isn't calling them. If the OC isn't calling them, there must be a reason.

Arm Mechanics: I want to see if the kid is a short rotational C guy or a down up thrower. (baseball thrower) I played QB and was a baseball player but honestly I do not like that style of mechanics. The higher you go the more dbs reaction times decrease. Any extra "hitch" in a mechanics causes something a db can "key" on. It might be split seconds, but split seconds matter. Fluidity too. That is something I want to see a QB have. Some kids are just effortless throwers, some seem to work at it a bit more.

Mobility: Inside the pocket can he work it? (like football) Does he find escape lanes? When he runs, is he separating from the defense? Lateral Quickness? Is he running zone read concepts in his offense? When he rolls out how effective is he doing so? Does he get his momentum in line with his throw? And does this kid show multiple long touchdown runs? Those are some questions and checks I use for mobility index.

Now this mobility one ALWAYS comes back to a quarterbacking standpoint for me. When the QB runs from the pocket. I immediately rewind the tape and look at the defense, the route and try to see if he missed something. I get a BIG sense of a kid's vision when I do this. In the case recently where you mentioned Perry, that was the same concept I used to catch that open post he missed.

So in rhythm phase I look for pre read capability. In mobility phase I tend to look for post snap capability. I will always circumnavigate in that way.

Roman Rank is just a ultimate subjective view and recap of what I thing the QB skill set is. Anything that is extraordinary or majorly deficient I will try to cover here.

Roman Marciante said:

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Hey this is a great question, I do not know if I can extrapolate this into a series, but in the interim I could just tell you somethings I focus on in terms of quarterback film. Primarily I tend to do an abridged version because full ones tend to be extremely word consumptive. Worded pieces tend to meet a lot of backlash in this arena and it was really a honed in focus when I was on TOS.

Feet: Ultimately the basics I am looking for in the feet, are 1. direction 2. distance 3. repeat-ability without pressure. Questions I ask myself, is the QB not in line with the target? Falling away from his target? Is he an over stride guy? And is he consistent with his drops? I will also look how a QB works back up in the pocket and how he was taught to reset, some like to kick dirt and reset (Choppy feet) or some simply have no clue. That last part usually parlays me into looking for QB's who can throw from alternate platforms. Essentially a defender is in his face, cant step into a throw, or flushed from the pocket, what does his feet do then.

Rhythm: Big for me because of Richt's system at Miami. When the QB plants that back foot does the ball come out with conviction, "on time" and to the right guy. On time is the key. Sometimes it gets tricky when OC's might run split level concepts and the rhythm on opposite sides of the field are disjointed. That is not a qb's fault that is an OC prerogative. But ultimately a QB who shows really good rhythm repeat-ability tends to be a more concise pre read diagnostician and understands where the ball needs to go. This might be one of my most coveted traits in conjunction with Accuracy.

Under Rhythm I check for anticipation. Not overly hard concept. On every single QB throw I see, I ask, "Was it late?" From there I see at the point of the release was the WR "high school open?" or was he "thrown open" Big difference. I can just say that in a 14 minute highlight tape when I find no instances of WR's being thrown open or a lot of late balls, big warning sign for me.

Accuracy: I look for where the receiver is catching the ball and does the receiver have run after the catch potential. I will always fact check with the QB's accuracy numbers statistically. I look for if he is short changing deep balls and is that deep ball being thrown away from the safety and on the outside when its supposed to. Deep ball accuracy goes in play here as well.

Arm Strength: Easy trait to key on. I have a formula. Overall distance by charting the farthest throw on film plus trajectory on mid line routes. If a guy throws plus 65 and I see a wide side out with no drop off? Like from 0 position to the WR shows like a straight line? That kid has a cannon. Another thing over the years I have learned to pick up on is if the OC actually calls a comeback or wide side out. So that involves charting throw types. I just learned if I don't see certain routes, that means the OC isn't calling them. If the OC isn't calling them, there must be a reason.

Arm Mechanics: I want to see if the kid is a short rotational C guy or a down up thrower. (baseball thrower) I played QB and was a baseball player but honestly I do not like that style of mechanics. The higher you go the more dbs reaction times decrease. Any extra "hitch" in a mechanics causes something a db can "key" on. It might be split seconds, but split seconds matter. Fluidity too. That is something I want to see a QB have. Some kids are just effortless throwers, some seem to work at it a bit more.

Mobility: Inside the pocket can he work it? (like football) Does he find escape lanes? When he runs, is he separating from the defense? Lateral Quickness? Is he running zone read concepts in his offense? When he rolls out how effective is he doing so? Does he get his momentum in line with his throw? And does this kid show multiple long touchdown runs? Those are some questions and checks I use for mobility index.

Now this mobility one ALWAYS comes back to a quarterbacking standpoint for me. When the QB runs from the pocket. I immediately rewind the tape and look at the defense, the route and try to see if he missed something. I get a BIG sense of a kid's vision when I do this. In the case recently where you mentioned Perry, that was the same concept I used to catch that open post he missed.

So in rhythm phase I look for pre read capability. In mobility phase I tend to look for post snap capability. I will always circumnavigate in that way.

Roman Rank is just a ultimate subjective view and recap of what I thing the QB skill set is. Anything that is extraordinary or majorly deficient I will try to cover here.

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Awesome @Roman Marciante! Not too long for me. Took less than 3 minutes to read and surely took you a hellava lot more time to acquire this knowledge and then be able to put what you see into words. For a novice like myself, this info is priceless.

Thanks Roman. Thorough and incredibly fascinating

Loose Cannon said:

QBs with low football IQ but ELITE athleticism have ranged from 12-0 Vince Young at Texas to 8-5 Lamar Jackson at Louisville. We do not have a QB with ELITE athleticism, though.

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There’s actually been quite a few who have done way worse than Lamar Jackson. College football’s graveyard is littered with QBs who look incredible warming up. Remember Xavier Lee?

The Franchise said:

There’s actually been quite a few who have done way worse than Lamar Jackson. College football’s graveyard is littered with QBs who look incredible warming up. Remember Xavier Lee?

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Nope, but I think that was your point.