5-star TE Washington dominant at Paradise, talks Canes and Van Dyke

5-star TE Washington dominant at Paradise, talks Canes and Van Dyke

Stefan Adams

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The mistake in the argument that there is a 0% chance he comes because of how much money other schools offer is the assumption that $100,000 will be that persuasive. It simply isn’t to all, and even many families who have their heads on straight.
Example, the 5 star recruit Kyle Hamiton who is attending Notre Dame next year is a very close family friend since he was 9 years old. His dad trains both my kids in basketball for the past 4-5 years. And I tell you with utmost confidence that he was offered a big upfront number to attend Georgia, as well as on going monthly payments. And Kyle and his family recognized that a ND education was worth a great deal more over a lifetime than 100k and a UGA education, even though UGA is a good school. ND is a great school. Kids pick ND and Stanford and Duke (basketball), not only for the possibility of playing professionally but also because of the educational value and alumni resources. And I mean alumni as in CEO’s of Fortune 500 companies, not the local car dealer. Miami needs to either offer money or become one of those schools where the educational value over a lifetime trumps upfront money.
Has anyone considered that maybe Washington comes from an educated family and they won’t be persuaded by a bag?

That’s a fair assessment and most people would agree that coming to play TE at Miami is a smart business decision, this kid could be a 1st round pick outta Podunk college. So unless he prefers catching 40 balls a year in Miami, compared to 15-20 with compensation in Bama he probably isn’t coming
 
I don't think you can underestimate how big having Van Dyke throwing to him last night is. No matter who ends up at QB for us this season, he KNOWS who is there when he gets to campus. That's a big deal. Everyone else recruiting him that seem to be at the top of his list already have established QBs or top level QBs already committed, too. If one of the current guys balls out this year, even better - double reassurance for him. I don't think we are where we are without having Van Dyke coming in.... Just my opinion...
 
I think it’s 10-15, but it might as well be zero. Has nothing to do with our staff’s effort or shortcomings, we just aren’t at that level right now.

For all the silly comparisons to Clemson, this much is true: it took them awhile of proving they were elite before they started crooting like it. Manny could be a top tier HC (not saying he is) and a kid like Washington still won’t come when Bama is a revolving door for national championships.
Clemson's bag game also got taken to 1st class from coach...coincidence? I think not
 
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This. Clemson won the championship in 2016 based on superior evaluation and development, not because they had elite talent across the board.

We need to evaluate and develop at an elite level before we can expect to recruit at an elite level. Bags or no bags. Kids and parents/handlers, more than anything, want to know they are going to get developed properly and get drafted high. We haven’t lived up to our end of the bargain for over a decade. Hopefully Diaz will be the man to change that.
And a badass qb, Clemson rose because of a string of those.
 
The mistake in the argument that there is a 0% chance he comes because of how much money other schools offer is the assumption that $100,000 will be that persuasive. It simply isn’t to all, and even many families who have their heads on straight.
Example, the 5 star recruit Kyle Hamiton who is attending Notre Dame next year is a very close family friend since he was 9 years old. His dad trains both my kids in basketball for the past 4-5 years. And I tell you with utmost confidence that he was offered a big upfront number to attend Georgia, as well as on going monthly payments. And Kyle and his family recognized that a ND education was worth a great deal more over a lifetime than 100k and a UGA education, even though UGA is a good school. ND is a great school. Kids pick ND and Stanford and Duke (basketball), not only for the possibility of playing professionally but also because of the educational value and alumni resources. And I mean alumni as in CEO’s of Fortune 500 companies, not the local car dealer. Miami needs to either offer money or become one of those schools where the educational value over a lifetime trumps upfront money.
Has anyone considered that maybe Washington comes from an educated family and they won’t be persuaded by a bag?


Let's put that number into perspective.

$100,000 equates to:
25 boosters agreeing to pay $4,000 lump sum, or spread over four years - $1,000 per year. That's less than $100 per month.

See how simple it is coming up with that much? Of course, the arrangement would be some up front, some along the way, and some at the end.

Twenty five boosters. $100 per month. And you get a freak player worth close to 10 points per game - by either making two clutch catches per game that sustains a scoring drive - or making two clutch catches that keeps the opponents off the field and from scoring - or actually scoring 10 points per game by one TD catch and also sustaining a drive that gets a field goal.

That's how it's done by the bag men - and they'll have their clubs and associations - and will pool their resources - so that no one even feels it. They'll **** away a hundred a month in a bar - that's their logic.

Or flip it - 4 boosters agreeing to pay $25,000. Spread over 4 years - that's still only $6,250 per year - or $521/month.

That's how you just MEET opponent offers. The arithmetic will vary depending on the agreement - but there's a lot of folks who can afford that much.

So you end up having maybe five of these groups per year - and you're soon STACKED with absolute, top-tier talent.

Those few that can afford more - can provide a smaller group - and those who cannot afford much - will have larger groups.

That's the game. You play. Or you watch.
 
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Let's put that number into perspective.

$100,000 equates to:
25 boosters agreeing to pay $4,000 lump sum, or spread over four years - $1,000 per year. That's less than $100 per month.

See how simple it is coming up with that much? Of course, the arrangement would be some up front, some along the way, and some at the end.

Twenty five boosters. $100 per month. And you get a freak player worth close to 10 points per game - by either making two clutch catches per game that sustains a scoring drive - or making two clutch catches that keeps the opponents off the field and from scoring - or actually scoring 10 points per game by one TD catch and also sustaining a drive that gets a field goal.

That's how it's done by the bag men - and they'll have their clubs and associations - and will pool their resources - so that no one even feels it. They'll **** away a hundred a month in a bar - that's their logic.

Or flip it - 4 boosters agreeing to pay $25,000. Spread over 4 years - that's still only $6,250 per year - or $521/month.

That's how you just MEET opponent offers. The arithmetic will vary depending on the agreement - but there's a lot of folks who can afford that much.

So you end up having maybe five of these groups per year - and you're soon STACKED with absolute, top-tier talent.

Those few that can afford more - can provide a smaller group - and those who cannot afford much - will have larger groups.

That's the game. You play. Or you watch.

And that's not including connections to housing, jobs, etc....
 
The mistake in the argument that there is a 0% chance he comes because of how much money other schools offer is the assumption that $100,000 will be that persuasive. It simply isn’t to all, and even many families who have their heads on straight.
Example, the 5 star recruit Kyle Hamiton who is attending Notre Dame next year is a very close family friend since he was 9 years old. His dad trains both my kids in basketball for the past 4-5 years. And I tell you with utmost confidence that he was offered a big upfront number to attend Georgia, as well as on going monthly payments. And Kyle and his family recognized that a ND education was worth a great deal more over a lifetime than 100k and a UGA education, even though UGA is a good school. ND is a great school. Kids pick ND and Stanford and Duke (basketball), not only for the possibility of playing professionally but also because of the educational value and alumni resources. And I mean alumni as in CEO’s of Fortune 500 companies, not the local car dealer. Miami needs to either offer money or become one of those schools where the educational value over a lifetime trumps upfront money.
Has anyone considered that maybe Washington comes from an educated family and they won’t be persuaded by a bag?

LOL yeah like Miami is just the best overall choice otherwise.

Miami has one bowl win in the last 12 seasons.
 
LOL yeah like Miami is just the best overall choice otherwise.

Miami has one bowl win in the last 12 seasons.
Whether Miami is the best overall choice is irrelevant to what I wrote. The point was, and still is, that not every player or family is influenced by the amount of money being offered. The sad reality is that 25k, or 50k will have greater influence with less educated families on the lower end of the socio-economic ladder. Which in turn hurts the U of Miami because there are lots of good football players coming from rough neighborhoods and inner-city schools in Miami.
So Miami is forced to target a different type of player and family, something that Stanford, ND and Duke have been doing for years.
 
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Whether Miami is the best overall choice is irrelevant to what I wrote. The point was, and still is, that not every player or family is influenced by the amount of money being offered. The sad reality is that 25k, or 50k will have greater influence with less educated families on the lower end of the socio-economic ladder. Which in turn hurts the U of Miami because there are lots of good football players coming from rough neighborhoods and inner-city schools in Miami.
So Miami is forced to target a different type of player and family, something that Stanford, ND and Duke have been doing for years.

Not true at all. Miami targets the same types of players that the top schools do. We just dont have as much to offer as they do, aside from bags. What kid in their right mind would choose Miami over Alabama?
 
Not true at all. Miami targets the same types of players that the top schools do. We just dont have as much to offer as they do, aside from bags. What kid in their right mind would choose Miami over Alabama?
A kid with a brain, who the **** wants to go to school in the middle of nowhere.
 
A kid with a brain, who the **** wants to go to school in the middle of nowhere.

LOL it’s actually amazing how shortsighted fans are. This is a business and the kids get it better than anybody. If you are an elite recruit who can go to Miami or Alabama, and you aren’t from south florida, going to Um is a terrible decison right now. Which is why it doesn’t really happen.

The top recruits are in this to win and play in big games and go to the nfl. UM can’t offer any of that right now. Four first rounders over the last ten years isn’t a good sales pitch. Hey come get blown out in a baseball stadium bowl game or go to Alabama, play in the playoffs every year, and see your teammates fill up the nfl draft.

UM’s location helps if we’re winning or if a kid doesn’t want to leave home. Otherwise, nfl prospects and big games matter 100000x more than “going to school in the middle of nowhere” or any of the other cool stuff we can offer that other schools can’t.
 
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I think it’s 10-15, but it might as well be zero. Has nothing to do with our staff’s effort or shortcomings, we just aren’t at that level right now.

For all the silly comparisons to Clemson, this much is true: it took them awhile of proving they were elite before they started crooting like it. Manny could be a top tier HC (not saying he is) and a kid like Washington still won’t come when Bama is a revolving door for national championships.

I really only follow the Canes. Does Bama ever throw a pass tomTE? Heck do they have one runs pass routes?
 
Our angle at him will have to be our ability to use our TE's and if he liked Van Dyke and could see himself catching passes from him in the future.
 
Our angle at him will have to be our ability to use our TE's and if he liked Van Dyke and could see himself catching passes from him in the future.

Yup and maybe some of the vegas flavor with Martell and Jordan helps too
 
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