Why the Miami job is going to be desired this time around

[F-MarioCristobal]

The media is in full swing bashing this program for the fan base flying the planes, not giving Al Golden a chance, etc. But we all know we did the right thing. We could see the bull**** Al Golden was spilling and they couldn't. Now, they think this program is a lost cause, and everyone else has caught up and surpassed us. That could be the case, but if we make the most out of this hire we can catch up really quick and here is why:

First off, we have Brad Kaaya. The new coach can come in with arguably the best pocket passing QB in the country in 2016, who as a sophomore is already the leader of this team. Alongside Kaaya we bring back 12 deep on the OL (although the unit is struggling mightily this year), Arguably the best TE unit in college football is coming back (Dobard, Njoku, Herndon, Washington, and throw in Michael Irvin Jr), WR is not a weakness led by Stacy Coley, and a full stable of versatile RB. Needless to say any offensive coach is looking at this and imagining what he can do with this team.

On defense, we return a ton of good DL prospects. Chad Thomas, AQM, Gerald Willis is eligible, Ken Norton, Anthony Moten, Courtel Jenkins, Trent Harris, DJack, etc. LB is depleted but with Grace, Young, Owens, the players are there. Secondary is a similar situation as LB. Our DL could really bail out the other units next year to allow them to develop and catch up.

The recruiting classes are already built through 2018, and it is south florida, you can win and get who you want.

A lot of ex canes sons, and relatives are coming up in the next few classes and want to be canes. We just need someone that can prove they wont make a mistake with their future (Blades jr, Michael Irvin jr, Asante Samuel, Bethel, etc)

The foundation is there and our roster, especially on offense, is set up to hit the ground running. A new head coach could come in and make a Harbaugh type impact in year 1. Who is going to slow the canes down if that happens?

 

[3FW]

Team is in much better shape than what Coker and Shannon left.

 

[F-MarioCristobal]

Yes, the team is in much better shape. But, we need a HC that is innovative on offense or defense, or Butch that can do whatever the **** he wants.

And we need a new strength coach. Kids aren't getting developed right in the weight room or on the field. One constant over the last several coaching changes is Swasey. Needs to stop now.

Forgot to add that above.

 

[clg003]

Man I like your optimism but you have to know this is a pipe dream.

Why its not going to be a top job...

1. Multiple other better jobs out there right now.
2. No fan support (look at the stadium)
3. Plenty of fan backlash and unrealistic expectations (the banners). Like it or not that shiat matters to coaches and is why Spurrier left UF.
4. Admin who doesnt want to make UM a money making football machine. (look where the stadium is)
5. Budget pay grade and no investment from Admins.
6. In a location where most of the high schools have well below national avg test scores and no academic exceptions allowed.
7. Admin who will not pay top dollar for your assistants.
8. No indoor practice facility in one of the most weather unfriendly places in the country.

I could go on and on really. But the truth is that coaches will have options and they will want to go where they can be successful. At Miami the odds are stacked against your success when compared to other schools.

Miami's hope is an up and comer or someone that none of the top schools are interested in or someone who has allegiance to the program.

I would take Butch, but I would also take Cristobal if he was allowed to bring in Butch as a DC and AHC (which might be the only way Butch can return). He has been under Saban's wing for some time and it might be the best way for us to tap into Miami's biggest asset and that is its local high school kids. I would even think about keeping Coley as the OC if you stripped him of play calling and hired someone like Dorsey as the QB coach. If Chud would consider OC then that's a no brainier but I don't want him as the HC.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Dumb.

 

[F-MarioCristobal]

Man I like your optimism but you have to know this is a pipe dream.

Why its not going to be a top job...

1. Multiple other better jobs out there right now.
2. No fan support (look at the stadium)
3. Plenty of fan backlash and unrealistic expectations (the banners). Like it or not that shiat matters to coaches and is why Spurrier left UF.
4. Admin who doesnt want to make UM a money making football machine. (look where the stadium is)
5. Budget pay grade and no investment from Admins.
6. In a location where most of the high schools have well below national avg test scores and no academic exceptions allowed.
7. Admin who will not pay top dollar for your assistants.
8. No indoor practice facility in one of the most weather unfriendly places in the country.

I could go on and on really. But the truth is that coaches will have options and they will want to go where they can be successful. At Miami the odds are stacked against your success when compared to other schools.

Miami's hope is an up and comer that no ones is interested in or someone who has allegiance to the program.

I would take Butch, but I would also take Cristobal if he was allowed to bring in Butch as a DC and AHC (which might be the only way Butch can return). He has been under Saban's wing for some time and it might be the best way for us to tap into Miami's biggest asset and that is its local high school kids. I would even think about keeping Coley as the OC if you stripped him of play calling and hired someone like Dorsey as the QB coach. If Chud would consider OC then that's a no brainier but I don't want him as the HC.

$3 million dollars is plenty to get a good HC this time around. Butch Davis would come for $2 million. Even if Herman, Fuente, Pagano, etc passed Butch will be there, so missing out on a good candidate or not getting one of the good ones is not an excuse. I'm fine if they target a hot name like those, but if they miss out and settle on Cristobal, they shoot themselves in the foot. As far as facilities, we can compete. We have all we need. And in reality if Golden showed he could win, the admin would probably give football a chance and would have already made the indoor facility a priority. But right now the priority is figure out how to win and who is going to win. Once we settle on a HC that can do that, we might get the indoor. Fans come with winning as well.

One thing solves every problem above. WIN. That starts in the next few months. Hire a coach that is going to do it.

 

[shayleon]

That talent is why Butch could have immediate success ..

 

[Comma7201]

If you're a competent coach you know you get talent here and win games, you win everything else will come.

 

[clg003]

Man I like your optimism but you have to know this is a pipe dream.

Why its not going to be a top job...

1. Multiple other better jobs out there right now.
2. No fan support (look at the stadium)
3. Plenty of fan backlash and unrealistic expectations (the banners). Like it or not that shiat matters to coaches and is why Spurrier left UF.
4. Admin who doesnt want to make UM a money making football machine. (look where the stadium is)
5. Budget pay grade and no investment from Admins.
6. In a location where most of the high schools have well below national avg test scores and no academic exceptions allowed.
7. Admin who will not pay top dollar for your assistants.
8. No indoor practice facility in one of the most weather unfriendly places in the country.

I could go on and on really. But the truth is that coaches will have options and they will want to go where they can be successful. At Miami the odds are stacked against your success when compared to other schools.

Miami's hope is an up and comer that no ones is interested in or someone who has allegiance to the program.

I would take Butch, but I would also take Cristobal if he was allowed to bring in Butch as a DC and AHC (which might be the only way Butch can return). He has been under Saban's wing for some time and it might be the best way for us to tap into Miami's biggest asset and that is its local high school kids. I would even think about keeping Coley as the OC if you stripped him of play calling and hired someone like Dorsey as the QB coach. If Chud would consider OC then that's a no brainier but I don't want him as the HC.

$3 million dollars is plenty to get a good HC this time around. Butch Davis would come for $2 million. Even if Herman, Fuente, Pagano, etc passed Butch will be there, so missing out on a good candidate or not getting one of the good ones is not an excuse. I'm fine if they target a hot name like those, but if they miss out and settle on Cristobal, they shoot themselves in the foot. As far as facilities, we can compete. We have all we need. And in reality if Golden showed he could win, the admin would probably give football a chance and would have already made the indoor facility a priority. But right now the priority is figure out how to win and who is going to win. Once we settle on a HC that can do that, we might get the indoor. Fans come with winning as well.

One thing solves every problem above. WIN. That starts in the next few months. Hire a coach that is going to do it.

Do we really think the next guy is going to get 3 mill with Al's buyout? I am thinking Al wouldn't have gotten that if it wasn't to save face on the NCAA issue.

Maybe they do dish out the funds, but I am just not sure enough that they will want to make a big enough splash to take money from other designated university funds to do so.

If it were my business I would put up 5 mill allow for some academic exceptions and go for Chip Kelly. Wouldn't care if it had to go on a credit card for god's sake because it would pay off in year one.

 

[clg003]

If you're a competent coach you know you get talent here and win games, you win everything else will come.

The chicken or the egg dude. Lots of great programs get talent here. Its likely the only area of the country that every single major program has a strategy for and a presence in.

Miami has lots of talent but it has the most suitors as well. Recruiting here is more dog eats dog that anywhere else in the country. More money gets handed to these kids than anywhere else.

 

[clg003]

That talent is why Butch could have immediate success ..

He would build depth and he would find NFLers among the 3 stars like no one else but I just don't know for sure he would win the 5 star battles that someone with a huge name would. We are not getting a huge name but Butch will need some time. He would get the job done that's for sure. You would hope the admins saw that this dude was passionate about the U like no other coach is. He would literally coach this team for a meal pass.

 

[Comma7201]

If you're a competent coach you know you get talent here and win games, you win everything else will come.

The chicken or the egg dude. Lots of great programs get talent here. Its likely the only area of the country that every single major program has a strategy for and a presence in.

Miami has lots of talent but it has the most suitors as well. Recruiting here is more dog eats dog that anywhere else in the country. More money gets handed to these kids than anywhere else.

Replace Golden with any average coach and we win 10 games this year , Miami will never have a talent issue, we may lack at a position or two for a year, but overall its 10 win talent at worst.

 

[Barboni]

Man I like your optimism but you have to know this is a pipe dream.

Why its not going to be a top job...

1. Multiple other better jobs out there right now.
2. No fan support (look at the stadium)
3. Plenty of fan backlash and unrealistic expectations (the banners). Like it or not that shiat matters to coaches and is why Spurrier left UF.
4. Admin who doesnt want to make UM a money making football machine. (look where the stadium is)
5. Budget pay grade and no investment from Admins.
6. In a location where most of the high schools have well below national avg test scores and no academic exceptions allowed.
7. Admin who will not pay top dollar for your assistants.
8. No indoor practice facility in one of the most weather unfriendly places in the country.

I could go on and on really. But the truth is that coaches will have options and they will want to go where they can be successful. At Miami the odds are stacked against your success when compared to other schools.

Miami's hope is an up and comer or someone that none of the top schools are interested in or someone who has allegiance to the program.

I would take Butch, but I would also take Cristobal if he was allowed to bring in Butch as a DC and AHC (which might be the only way Butch can return). He has been under Saban's wing for some time and it might be the best way for us to tap into Miami's biggest asset and that is its local high school kids. I would even think about keeping Coley as the OC if you stripped him of play calling and hired someone like Dorsey as the QB coach. If Chud would consider OC then that's a no brainier but I don't want him as the HC.

LMAO

Name me 1 player that we couldn't admit due to academic issues or didn't recruit, that ended up at D1 school not named Marshall? That narrative is weak. The school has made exceptions for players that nobody thought could qualify ANYWHERE (Yearby, Choc, Knowles and few others).

Some coaches may put a premium on crowds, but a better pay check is a better pay check. This isn't a job for a coach that strongly desires a college town atmosphere and may want to coach here for the long-term. This is a job where the most important resource required to win (Talent), is significantly better than it's competition. The Brand of Miami football is still strong. Our recruiting classes in fact rank higher than Clemson's, despite them winning BCS games and having top facilities. We go 6-7 and still get classes around the top-10. This is a job for someone that wants to build their resume and use it as a stepping stone for the pro's or another college job.

 

[clg003]

If you're a competent coach you know you get talent here and win games, you win everything else will come.

The chicken or the egg dude. Lots of great programs get talent here. Its likely the only area of the country that every single major program has a strategy for and a presence in.

Miami has lots of talent but it has the most suitors as well. Recruiting here is more dog eats dog that anywhere else in the country. More money gets handed to these kids than anywhere else.

Replace Golden with any average coach and we win 10 games this year , Miami will never have a talent issue, we may lack at a position or two for a year, but overall its 10 win talent at worst.

I don't agree. We do not have the depth and our offensive line could be the worst in the country. We have no beast DT or LBs its pretty clear that Golden did not do a good job of evaluating and this team is littered with misses. He put more into his camps then he did in actual South Florida games.

 

[Phillyc55]

Vegas predicted us for 6 wins this year lombardi wouldnt win 7 with this **** team we have

 

[Phillyc55]

The only positive is golden had so many injuries this year to starting players

 

[Gatorhater]

Man I like your optimism but you have to know this is a pipe dream.

Why its not going to be a top job...

1. Multiple other better jobs out there right now.
2. No fan support (look at the stadium)
3. Plenty of fan backlash and unrealistic expectations (the banners). Like it or not that shiat matters to coaches and is why Spurrier left UF.
4. Admin who doesnt want to make UM a money making football machine. (look where the stadium is)
5. Budget pay grade and no investment from Admins.
6. In a location where most of the high schools have well below national avg test scores and no academic exceptions allowed.
7. Admin who will not pay top dollar for your assistants.
8. No indoor practice facility in one of the most weather unfriendly places in the country.

I could go on and on really. But the truth is that coaches will have options and they will want to go where they can be successful. At Miami the odds are stacked against your success when compared to other schools.

Miami's hope is an up and comer that no ones is interested in or someone who has allegiance to the program.

I would take Butch, but I would also take Cristobal if he was allowed to bring in Butch as a DC and AHC (which might be the only way Butch can return). He has been under Saban's wing for some time and it might be the best way for us to tap into Miami's biggest asset and that is its local high school kids. I would even think about keeping Coley as the OC if you stripped him of play calling and hired someone like Dorsey as the QB coach. If Chud would consider OC then that's a no brainier but I don't want him as the HC.

$3 million dollars is plenty to get a good HC this time around. Butch Davis would come for $2 million. Even if Herman, Fuente, Pagano, etc passed Butch will be there, so missing out on a good candidate or not getting one of the good ones is not an excuse. I'm fine if they target a hot name like those, but if they miss out and settle on Cristobal, they shoot themselves in the foot. As far as facilities, we can compete. We have all we need. And in reality if Golden showed he could win, the admin would probably give football a chance and would have already made the indoor facility a priority. But right now the priority is figure out how to win and who is going to win. Once we settle on a HC that can do that, we might get the indoor. Fans come with winning as well.

One thing solves every problem above. WIN. That starts in the next few months. Hire a coach that is going to do it.

Do we really think the next guy is going to get 3 mill with Al's buyout? I am thinking Al wouldn't have gotten that if it wasn't to save face on the NCAA issue.

Maybe they do dish out the funds, but I am just not sure enough that they will want to make a big enough splash to take money from other designated university funds to do so.

If it were my business I would put up 5 mill allow for some academic exceptions and go for Chip Kelly. Wouldn't care if it had to go on a credit card for god's sake because it would pay off in year one.

Chip is another genetic engineer like Al. He wants only HIS type of players -- jut like Al. We have Miami players. Need a coach who will do what MIAMI players do best, not what they want to do.

 

[407cane]

Team is in much better shape than what Coker and Shannon left.

Agreed, golden managed the program effectively while Shannon and Coker couldn't, he just couldn't motivate the players and his ancient scheme and best friend doomed him

 

[clg003]

Man I like your optimism but you have to know this is a pipe dream.

Why its not going to be a top job...

1. Multiple other better jobs out there right now.
2. No fan support (look at the stadium)
3. Plenty of fan backlash and unrealistic expectations (the banners). Like it or not that shiat matters to coaches and is why Spurrier left UF.
4. Admin who doesnt want to make UM a money making football machine. (look where the stadium is)
5. Budget pay grade and no investment from Admins.
6. In a location where most of the high schools have well below national avg test scores and no academic exceptions allowed.
7. Admin who will not pay top dollar for your assistants.
8. No indoor practice facility in one of the most weather unfriendly places in the country.

I could go on and on really. But the truth is that coaches will have options and they will want to go where they can be successful. At Miami the odds are stacked against your success when compared to other schools.

Miami's hope is an up and comer or someone that none of the top schools are interested in or someone who has allegiance to the program.

I would take Butch, but I would also take Cristobal if he was allowed to bring in Butch as a DC and AHC (which might be the only way Butch can return). He has been under Saban's wing for some time and it might be the best way for us to tap into Miami's biggest asset and that is its local high school kids. I would even think about keeping Coley as the OC if you stripped him of play calling and hired someone like Dorsey as the QB coach. If Chud would consider OC then that's a no brainier but I don't want him as the HC.

LMAO

Name me 1 player that we couldn't admit due to academic issues or didn't recruit, that ended up at D1 school not named Marshall? That narrative is weak. The school has made exceptions for players that nobody thought could qualify ANYWHERE (Yearby, Choc, Knowles and few others).

Some coaches may put a premium on crowds, but a better pay check is a better pay check. This isn't a job for a coach that strongly desires a college town atmosphere and may want to coach here for the long-term. This is a job where the most important resource required to win (Talent), is significantly better than it's competition. The Brand of Miami football is still strong. Our recruiting classes in fact rank higher than Clemson's, despite them winning BCS games and having top facilities. We go 6-7 and still get classes around the top-10. This is a job for someone that wants to build their resume and use it as a stepping stone for the pro's or another college job.

I am surprised you don't know this but its a fact that Miami simply rarely allows for any academic exceptions. It was one of Shalala's efforts to legitimize the school as being an academic institution.

You asking me to name info that no one could name other than the coaches which would be an NCAA violation is just bad logic. How about this.. Name me one guy on the current team that did get in under an exception.

At one time FSU allowed up to 80% of their football team to be exceptions. Yes 80%! GT's coach argued in public to get his exception limit up to 20% and even Duke allows for some whereas Miami does not have a set limit and every case has to be reviewed and accepted and it simply does not happen. South Florida is littered with D1 studs that require them and when they get into there Sr years and they realize they aint going to qualify for Miami they decommit or commit elsewhere because why work hard in school when you can just go to FSU.

 

[Phillyc55]

The thing that scares me is why did schiano turn the job down after coker?