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So I've been mulling over the recent discussions/quotes from various sources about "I-formation" vs. "spread" vs. "RPO" vs. "read-option" and how these things might all fit together to form a unified/cohesive offensive philosophy, and I have a few thoughts and ideas I'd like to put forth for discussion.

As I've mentioned in other threads, it concerns me that in the first two years of Richt's tenure, we haven't really been able to commit to an identity on offense - primarily due to our wildly different starting QB skillsets over that time. Initially, it seemed like Richt wanted to rely heavily on RPO with Kaaya and Co. with elements of both spread and pro-style offenses. With Rosier last year, we ran a very limited read-option spread offense, cutting the reads down to "one-and-done". So it begs the question, where do we go from here?

For the last two years and now again in 2019, Richt is recruiting QBs that can move - both taking off running and extending plays with their legs to open up the pass. Most recently, he was quoted telling Rosier to "get ready" because we're going to use more I-Formation with a FB and multiple TEs. We're finally getting to the point where we will have the skill players to run pretty much whatever we feel like...

Just opining freely here, but I'm going to *guess* that what Richt ultimately would like to run is something similar to what Bama runs under Daboll, but with a more effective passing attack. Here's an article that speaks to Daboll's philosophy: https://www.tidesports.com/brian-daboll-alabama-offense-analysis/

I'd love to see Richt also adopt some of Lincoln Riley's concepts with our athletes - https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/8/2/15986274/lincoln-riley-oklahoma-sooners-offense

Riley really knows how to mix power run concepts with a FB and TEs to maximize damage in both the passing and run game. It's a beautiful blend of spread and power. RPO elements are still there, read-option elements are there, smashmouth concepts are there.


I'd love to hear from our resident X and O guys on both 1) what you'd LIKE to see us run on offense and 2) what you THINK Richt wants to run based on his prior history and recruiting strategies.
 
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ghost2 said:
So I've been mulling over the recent discussions/quotes from various sources about "I-formation" vs. "spread" vs. "RPO" vs. "read-option" and how these things might all fit together to form a unified/cohesive offensive philosophy, and I have a few thoughts and ideas I'd like to put forth for discussion.

As I've mentioned in other threads, it concerns me that in the first two years of Richt's tenure, we haven't really been able to commit to an identity on offense - primarily due to our wildly different starting QB skillsets over that time. Initially, it seemed like Richt wanted to rely heavily on RPO with Kaaya and Co. with elements of both spread and pro-style offenses. With Rosier last year, we ran a very limited read-option spread offense, cutting the reads down to "one-and-done". So it begs the question, where do we go from here?

For the last two years and now again in 2019, Richt is recruiting QBs that can move - both taking off running and extending plays with their legs to open up the pass. Most recently, he was quoted telling Rosier to "get ready" because we're going to use more I-Formation with a FB and multiple TEs. We're finally getting to the point where we will have the skill players to run pretty much whatever we feel like...

Just opining freely here, but I'm going to *guess* that what Richt ultimately would like to run is something similar to what Bama runs under Daboll, but with a more effective passing attack. Here's an article that speaks to Daboll's philosophy: https://www.tidesports.com/brian-daboll-alabama-offense-analysis/

I'd love to see Richt also adopt some of Lincoln Riley's concepts with our athletes - https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/8/2/15986274/lincoln-riley-oklahoma-sooners-offense

Riley really knows how to mix power run concepts with a FB and TEs to maximize damage in both the passing and run game. It's a beautiful blend of spread and power. RPO elements are still there, read-option elements are there, smashmouth concepts are there.


I'd love to hear from our resident X and O guys on both 1) what you'd LIKE to see us run on offense and 2) what you THINK Richt wants to run based on his prior history and recruiting strategies.
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I’ll be in the CanesInSight Miami Beach Studio tonight with @DMoney , we’ll try to cover a lot of this
 
ghost2 said:
So I've been mulling over the recent discussions/quotes from various sources about "I-formation" vs. "spread" vs. "RPO" vs. "read-option" and how these things might all fit together to form a unified/cohesive offensive philosophy, and I have a few thoughts and ideas I'd like to put forth for discussion.

As I've mentioned in other threads, it concerns me that in the first two years of Richt's tenure, we haven't really been able to commit to an identity on offense - primarily due to our wildly different starting QB skillsets over that time. Initially, it seemed like Richt wanted to rely heavily on RPO with Kaaya and Co. with elements of both spread and pro-style offenses. With Rosier last year, we ran a very limited read-option spread offense, cutting the reads down to "one-and-done". So it begs the question, where do we go from here?

For the last two years and now again in 2019, Richt is recruiting QBs that can move - both taking off running and extending plays with their legs to open up the pass. Most recently, he was quoted telling Rosier to "get ready" because we're going to use more I-Formation with a FB and multiple TEs. We're finally getting to the point where we will have the skill players to run pretty much whatever we feel like...

Just opining freely here, but I'm going to *guess* that what Richt ultimately would like to run is something similar to what Bama runs under Daboll, but with a more effective passing attack. Here's an article that speaks to Daboll's philosophy: https://www.tidesports.com/brian-daboll-alabama-offense-analysis/

I'd love to see Richt also adopt some of Lincoln Riley's concepts with our athletes - https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/8/2/15986274/lincoln-riley-oklahoma-sooners-offense

Riley really knows how to mix power run concepts with a FB and TEs to maximize damage in both the passing and run game. It's a beautiful blend of spread and power. RPO elements are still there, read-option elements are there, smashmouth concepts are there.


I'd love to hear from our resident X and O guys on both 1) what you'd LIKE to see us run on offense and 2) what you THINK Richt wants to run based on his prior history and recruiting strategies.[/QUote/
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I would like to see a double tight end formation with 2 backs. motioning one TE to either side and then powering it down their throats or doing counters to the other side. till they figure it out, then throw it to one of the blocking TE on a release.

also would like to see a 3 back set. with the talent we have it could be very effective. we have so many options with the depth and talent we could run anything.
 
dantheman349 said:
I would like to see a double tight end formation with 2 backs. motioning one TE to either side and then powering it down their throats or doing counters to the other side. till they figure it out, then throw it to one of the blocking TE on a release.

also would like to see a 3 back set. with the talent we have it could be very effective. we have so many options with the depth and talent we could run anything.
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So, maybe something similar to what the Patriots run/ran with their multiple TE sets?
 
i agree with the lincoln riley offense, he uses his FBs a lot and TEs in a power spread attack, people think the spread is just passing or running on the outside you can have a power running game from the spread just gotta have the right system for it, that is something i want this team to have
 
I'm not sure Mark Richt is going to be a different coach from who he is, or has been.

The offense he wants to run, to me, is what UGA is still running.

I-Formation, to bully less talented teams. Using play-action to go over the top. And then spread the defense on passing situations to exploit match-ups.

In the instances where CMR starts from the spread, it typically means he believes he's at a talent disadvantage or is looking to scheme an advantage.

I can't see CMR deviating from who he is. He's not going to spread lesser teams out. He's going to pound them, and expect his guys to be better.


What I'd like to see is CMR spread everybody out and beat the breaks off of teams with the power spread Clemson, Ohio State, Texas, and Auburn are using. I'd like to see a mobile QB who can make teams pay by hitting a crease and going the distance, but still makes plays with his arm in the pocket.

Comparing his current QBs to what he had at UGA, maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised ... As none of these guys really look like David Greene, Matt Stafford, Aaron Murray, or Jacob Eason ...
 
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Id love to see us run some of what Riley does as well as Herman. I think they both do a great job of blending spread and power elements.

I actually think that this is what Richt WANTS to run. He has scrapped a lot of his old shallow cross and traditional prostyle system with a more "modern" offense.

It obviously depends on the capability of the QB at helm but its clear he wants to take advantage of all the dual threat QBs coming out of high school.
 
2 tight end sets doesn’t necessarily mean pound and ground.Flex a tight end in the slot and use one in line to create mismatches all over the field. In goal line situations or short distances for first downs using a fullback
 
Judging solely on the types of quarterbacks he's been recruiting, He's obviously looking to move his offense further into the 21st century. You don't exclusively recruit dual threat guys to put them under center with two running backs in the backfield. I think Richt wants a true "multiple" offense with different looks and personnel packages that can keep any defense off guard but will still rely mostly on 11 personnel. I still don't think we've even scratched the surface on his offense since he's had to tailor so much of it to the two totally opposite styles of quarterbacks he's had to start his first two seasons. I mean last year's offense was glorified high school stuff with ultra simple reads and no changes at the line. Hopefully, we'll get to see a less watered down version of it in the coming years.
 
DTP said:
Judging solely on the types of quarterbacks he's been recruiting, He's obviously looking to move his offense further into the 21st century. You don't exclusively recruit dual threat guys to put them under center with two running backs in the backfield. I think Richt wants a true "multiple" offense with different looks and personnel packages that can keep any defense off guard but will still rely mostly on 11 personnel. I still don't think we've even scratched the surface on his offense since he's had to tailor so much of it to the two totally opposite styles of quarterbacks he's had to start his first two seasons. I mean last year's offense was glorified high school stuff with ultra simple reads and no changes at the line. Hopefully, we'll get to see a less watered down version of it in the coming years.
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Richt wants the new age qb which is a mixture between kaaya and rosier. Takes their positives in each players play respectively and put in to one qb who both posses size, arm strength and ability to run. Perry and Williams both have that. In addition to those qualities each of them are gifted creating plays when under pressure and throwing on the run. Malik showed last year that while he’s mobile he couldn’t create when on the run down the field in the passing game as he’s a limited player. In fact one of the only times i remember him doing it was vs Wisconsin in the bowl game when he threw a td to cager. Both Perry and Williams can do it very well.
 
Hey this thread seems like fun.

Ultimately if I may, year one of the Mark Richt era was a pretty easy call. The 12 set (1 back, 2 Tight Ends) was a primary feature and I thought gave Richt and Co the best advantage from a schematic standpoint. Also realize it was part out of necessity because of the wide receiver depth concerns we had that first year. And let's acknowledge far departure from the year before where I felt Coley severely underutilized the tight end position. Essentially Herndon and Njoku provided dividends with their versatility and ultimately the opposing defensive teams at a juxtaposition on how they would combat those two.

2015 Tight End Receptions-48 Touchdowns-2 (4 Njoku, Herndon, Dobard, Washington)
2016 Tight End Receptions-71 Toudchdowns-10 (Njoku, Herndon)

Fast forward to year 2 under Mark Richt and I believe the more 11 set (1 back, Tight End) was again predicated out of personnel. We did not have the same two impact tight ends that we had the year previously and the wide receiver depth definitely improved. Plus the absence of a true fullback limited this I formation fetish.

This year ultimately if I had to call the direction of the offense it would essentially be a hybrid between the two. Ultimately I think with the addition of Mallory and Jordan (in some aspects Irvin) will allow 12 set implementation. I firmly believe the wide receiver depth has improved once again so you definitely have play makers there. You added the consensus #1 high school fullback. Then you have Deejay who will emerge as a wildcat option and in my opinion gives defenses the most to account for from a schematic standpoint.

What I would like to see now since Richt has the most diversified set personnel pieces since arriving at Miami, is in fact diversification. I could only hope to see a myriad attack focus with a more diversified (at times power centered) run game. In the end I think Miami operates under a pro-spread umbrella similar to how NFL teams have convoluted the term. I am fine with that. Lining up in I formation for the sake of lining up in I formation and limiting your scope of practice however.........I am not fine with that.
 
It seems to me the days of the pure PP QB are numbered. It's obvious that Richt is recruiting more DT QB's (or at least "mobile" QB's) as the game is rapidly leaning to that type of QB. Much of this change can be attributed to bigger, faster, and stronger defensive players - especially DL's. Even the NFL has started to embrace the change.
 
Roman Marciante said:
What I would like to see now since Richt has the most diversified set personnel pieces since arriving at Miami, is in fact diversification. I could only hope to see a myriad attack focus with a more diversified (at times power centered) run game. In the end I think Miami operates under a pro-spread umbrella similar to how NFL teams have convoluted the term. I am fine with that. Lining up in I formation for the sake of lining up in I formation and limiting your scope of practice however.........I am not fine with that.
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This is precisely where I'm at - particular the bolded. I am concerned that we'll only line up with a FB on 3rd and short or something, which essentially wastes an opportunity.
 
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Roman Marciante said:
Hey this thread seems like fun.

Ultimately if I may, year one of the Mark Richt era was a pretty easy call. The 12 set (1 back, 2 Tight Ends) was a primary feature and I thought gave Richt and Co the best advantage from a schematic standpoint. Also realize it was part out of necessity because of the wide receiver depth concerns we had that first year. And let's acknowledge far departure from the year before where I felt Coley severely underutilized the tight end position. Essentially Herndon and Njoku provided dividends with their versatility and ultimately the opposing defensive teams at a juxtaposition on how they would combat those two.

2015 Tight End Receptions-48 Touchdowns-2 (4 Njoku, Herndon, Dobard, Washington)
2016 Tight End Receptions-71 Toudchdowns-10 (Njoku, Herndon)

Fast forward to year 2 under Mark Richt and I believe the more 11 set (1 back, Tight End) was again predicated out of personnel. We did not have the same two impact tight ends that we had the year previously and the wide receiver depth definitely improved. Plus the absence of a true fullback limited this I formation fetish.

This year ultimately if I had to call the direction of the offense it would essentially be a hybrid between the two. Ultimately I think with the addition of Mallory and Jordan (in some aspects Irvin) will allow 12 set implementation. I firmly believe the wide receiver depth has improved once again so you definitely have play makers there. You added the consensus #1 high school fullback. Then you have Deejay who will emerge as a wildcat option and in my opinion gives defenses the most to account for from a schematic standpoint.

What I would like to see now since Richt has the most diversified set personnel pieces since arriving at Miami, is in fact diversification. I could only hope to see a myriad attack focus with a more diversified (at times power centered) run game. In the end I think Miami operates under a pro-spread umbrella similar to how NFL teams have convoluted the term. I am fine with that. Lining up in I formation for the sake of lining up in I formation and limiting your scope of practice however.........I am not fine with that.
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I agree. As I've mentioned in a previous post, adaptability to personnel is the key. Trying to cram an offense down the throats of personnel that don't have the capability to run it is a recipe for disaster.
 
brock said:
2 tight end sets doesn’t necessarily mean pound and ground.Flex a tight end in the slot and use one in line to create mismatches all over the field. In goal line situations or short distances for first downs using a fullback
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2 TE sets with solid personnel can put defensive coaches in a real difficult position, especially against an team running a base cover 2. Typically results in at least 1 TE being covered by an OLB. I don't think there are many OLBs in college football today that can run with Brevin Jordan or Will Mallory. If the defensive coordinator decides to counter by swapping out his personnel or decides to cover the TE with a DB, then there may be single coverage on the outside and/or a mismatch in the running game (made even worse with a mobile QB).

Some of those power spread concepts work similarly and are difficult to stop (with offensive personnel similar to ours).
 
ghost2 said:
This is precisely where I'm at - particular the bolded. I am concerned that we'll only line up with a FB on 3rd and short or something, which essentially wastes an opportunity.
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I mean doing it sometimes is ok especially if it is working but I agree with not trying it all the time and using some diversification
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
2 TE sets with solid personnel can put defensive coaches in a real difficult position, especially against an team running a base cover 2. Typically results in at least 1 TE being covered by an OLB. I don't think there are many OLBs in college football today that can run with Brevin Jordan or Will Mallory. If the defensive coordinator decides to counter by swapping out his personnel or decides to cover the TE with a DB, then there may be single coverage on the outside and/or a mismatch in the running game (made even worse with a mobile QB).

Some of those power spread concepts work similarly and are difficult to stop (with offensive personnel similar to ours).
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Pats been winning AFC ships and superbowls with this method for years.
 
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