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defenses win titles? Seems the new rules that curtail defense has made offense the king. Targeting has taken a lot of aggression out of the game. I thought Ga had a great defense yet they allowed 41 points and the TCU game was insane offensively. Hope Mario recognizes that when evaluating Gattis.
 
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UGA has a balanced OFF. Definitely not air raid...has monster OL, monster TEs and WRs that can make plays when # is called upon.

And an insanely and aggressive DEF at all three levels. Pads be poppin and some (most) teams don't want any part of it.

Play of the OSU/UGA game was the monster (clean) hit by the UGA 3* DB that knocked Harrison Jr out the game. UGA outscored OSU like 19-3 from that point on.
 
fraggle said:
defenses win titles? Seems the new rules that curtail defense has made offense the king. Targeting has taken a lot of aggression out of the game. I thought Ga had a great defense yet they allowed 41 points and the TCU game was insane offensively. Hope Mario recognizes that when evaluating Gattis.
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Today's rule sets have significantly reduced Ds ability to play without penalty.
 
Let’s not act like OSU was some middling team; iirc, many had them & Bama as the favorites to win it all. When u get to this level, u’re going to see def in spurts, but not total domination as u would see these teams maul lesser opponents throughout the season.

OSU’s def had their moments which led them to a two score lead at segments, & UGA’s defense had their moments which didn’t allow that scoreboard to get out of hand, giving their offense a chance.

TCU had their moments, stifling UofM’s O, scoring two TDs, building a 3 score lead, while UofM’s def had their moments, leading a come back, giving their O a chance ti steal the game.

U still need both, but of course the game has become skewed towards The O. The Def really only get:
1. Holding
2. False Starts/Illegal Shift/Illegal Formation
3. Chop Block
4. Too Many Men
5. The Occasional Offensive P.I
6. Illegal Block in The Back
7. Delay of game

The offense gets:
1. Offsides/Lined Up in Neutral Zone
2. Too Many Men
3. Block Below The Waist
4. P.I
5. Def Holding (Secondary)
6. Def Holding (At Line of Scrimmage)
7. Roughing The Passer
8. Targeting
9. Illegal Hit Out of Bounds
10. Face Mask
11. Horse Collar
12. Hitting A Defenseless Receiver
13. Running Into/Roughing The Kicker
14. Leaping over protection to block kick

So yeah, the game handcuffs defenses a bit, but u still see some very solid defensive performances throughout the season. The CFP or Nat’l Championship game is not an indictment on this, rather u’re seeing in a lot of cases of strength on strength. Go ask them OU teams that smoked the B12 what happened in the CFP.
 
The defense needs to be played inside the 15 yard line. That is where the size and the talent of a defense can change games. Defenses are hand cuffed severely now. They cannot give up the big play. They need to keep the offence in front of them almost "allowing" the offense to move down the field. Then get extremely tough when the field shrinks. Either causing a turn over or holding to FG's.
 
No reason we shouldn't dominate all 3 phases sometime soon if Mario gets his ducks in a row.
 
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If you can give your QB time, it’s almost impossible to stop offenses. Even the most elite DB’s can’t cover guys for more than 3-4 seconds.

Defense wins championships applies to your front seven’s ability to harass the opposing QB.
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
If you can give your QB time, it’s almost impossible to stop offenses. Even the most elite DB’s can’t cover guys for more than 3-4 seconds.

Defense wins championships applies to your front seven’s ability to harass the opposing QB.
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That's always been the case, even before the rule changes.
 
NorthEastCane said:
That's always been the case, even before the rule changes.
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I should have clarified. I wasn’t referring to rule changes, I was referring to the way offense is played now. 5 wide, spacing that sees splits within 2 yards of the sidelines, RPO’s, etc.

And no it hadn’t always been the case. Garbage route trees don’t get guys open even with 5 seconds to throw. We saw that this year with our own offense. You see it with UConn, Iowa and pretty much any team in the bottom 10%.
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
I should have clarified. I wasn’t referring to rule changes, I was referring to the way offense is played now. 5 wide, spacing that sees splits within 2 yards of the sidelines, RPO’s, etc.

And no it hadn’t always been the case. Garbage route trees don’t get guys open even with 5 seconds to throw. We saw that this year with our own offense. You see it with UConn, Iowa and pretty much any team in the bottom 10%.
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It's always been the case. In the past most teams were run oriented and didn't take advantage of it. But late in a game, when they had no other choice, the same run-oriented teams ran up and down the field to make a comeback. Only Sid Gillman used it on a regular basis.

Have you ever heard of the term "preventless defense"?
 
Nick Saban

"It's challenging as a defensive guy to be able to adapt and adjust to the way the game is played now, but I think the rules in college football have sort of ignited the change throughout the game. Blocking three and a half yards down field on a pass play which leads to RPOs is a dramatic change in the way you play football. You need to be spread out to do that. To be able to block down field on a pass behind the line of scrimmage, which is just a rule that applies in college football, changes the game in terms of how you throw screens and how you pick people and run people in the flat. Those are real challenging things to try and defend. They all create tremendous run, pass conflicts for defensive players."
 
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