Univ of Texas tweeting out GPA's?!?!

No bitterness here, I made a rational decision, one that I know put me in better position to succeed. Ironically enough, I'm also one of the few people at my workplace that isn't whining about student loans and being crippled by them. Why? Because I realized that chaining myself to a desk for the rest of my life, just to say I went to an Ivy League school is a fool's errand.

The top Ivy League schools offer great financial aid without student loans. Times have changed. The debt excuse doesn’t work anymore at the top schools like Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Stanford.

I graduated from one of the above schools without a single penny of debt. All of my financial aid came in the form of grants.
 
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The top Ivy League schools offer great financial aid without student loans. Times have changed. The debt excuse doesn’t work anymore at the top schools like Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Stanford.

I graduated from one of the above schools without a single penny of debt. All of my financial aid came in the form of grants.

I know that if your parents make under 70k you are guaranteed to go for free. I also know that even if your parents make more than that, they will work with you to help you out as much as possible. Now of course we have the families making 400k a year and say "I can't afford to take out a loan to pay for Harvard" and those families are schit out of luck, but if you truly can't afford it, more times than not, you will graduate with no debt.
 
“individuals who come from affluent backgrounds are at a significant advantage when it comes to college admissions”

And also a significant advantage when it comes to most things.

So what?

There are always going to be high performers in our system. What’s important is making sure everyone has the opportunity to get in the game. This is what we constantly have to be working on.

But you can’t force or legislate economic equality. You can only try to create or perfect a level playing field so that everyone can participate, after that it’s up to the individual.

The reason why this can have such an insidious effect is that college degrees are one of the few tools that grant individuals a pathway out of poverty, and this cycle of accepting wealthy students only serves to reinforce wealth disparity in this country. When Harvard decides to allocate 34% of all seats to legacy preferences, this amounts to a double advantage for already-privileged students. At the same time, all other applicants get admitted at around 6%, so in other words the subset of the applicant pool that least needs an added advantage possess one at a 6x rate over other applicants. Favoring alumni with wealth & influence, sends a message that money is more important than equity. Which explains how Harvard has been able to accrue the largest endowment in the world @ $40 billion, which btw is larger than the entire budget of Colorado.

Not only is everyone not in the game, but many haven't even been taught how to play it. Public education has been systematically undermined in this country for close to 4 decades, and with every passing yr America continues to establish itself as a plutocratic society. Every developed/industrialized nation in the world understands the importance of public education & single payer healthcare except us..why is that? Is this your version of American exceptionalism? No one ever wants to be in a position where they have to ask for handouts, or wealth redistribution, but certain issues can only be addressed at the federal level. This debate goes beyond partisan politics, as most Americans are in agreement on these issues. The main problem is money in politics & special interest groups which prevent legislation from being passed.
 
The reason why this can have such an insidious effect is that college degrees are one of the few tools that grant individuals a pathway out of poverty, and this cycle of accepting wealthy students only serves to reinforce wealth disparity in the country. When Harvard decides to allocate 34% of all seats to legacy preferences, this amounts to a double advantage for already-privileged students. At the same time, all other applicants get admitted at around 6%, so in other words the subset of the applicant pool that least needs an added advantage possess one at a 6x rate over other applicants. Favoring alumni with wealth & influence, sends a message that money is more important than equity. Which explains how Harvard has been able to accrue the largest endowment in the world @ $40 billion, which btw is larger than the entire budget of Colorado.

Not only is everyone not in the game, but many haven't even been taught how to play it. Public education has been systematically undermined in this country for close to 4 decades, and with every passing yr America continues to establish itself as a plutocratic society. Every developed/industrialized nation in the world understands the importance of public education & single payer healthcare except us..why is that? Is this your version of American exceptionalism? No one ever wants to be in a position where they have to ask for handouts, or wealth redistribution, but certain issues can only be addressed at the federal level. This debate goes beyond partisan politics, as most Americans are in agreement on these issues. The main problem is money in politics & special interest groups which prevent legislation from being passed.

Don’t bother me with either single payer lectures or your version of socialism.

I’m not interested.

Try selling someone else.
 
Don’t bother me with either single payer lectures or your version of socialism.

I’m not interested.

Try selling someone else.

Can you seriously address anything that i'm saying or..all do you have is straw-men arguments? I said nothing about partisan politics, or socialism. What part of MOST AMERICANS AGREE ON THESE ISSUES do you not understand?
 
The top Ivy League schools offer great financial aid without student loans. Times have changed. The debt excuse doesn’t work anymore at the top schools like Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Stanford.

I graduated from one of the above schools without a single penny of debt. All of my financial aid came in the form of grants.

There's only one problem, most Ivy League schools do not give merit aid(They would have to give it to most of their incoming classes, and they don't want to). If you have two working parents, their income will, in most cases easily eclipse the mark set to ensure free tuition. Once you get past that mark, the government is extremely unlikely to give you anything other than loans and a smattering of grants. The typical middle class kid has parents that make too much, and the only way a kid can get around that is to declare themselves an independent individual, which is a process all in itself.
 
Can you seriously address anything that i'm saying or..all do you have is straw-men arguments? I said nothing about partisan politics, or socialism. What part of MOST AMERICANS AGREE ON THESE ISSUES do you not understand?

Remember the following: Ensuring that a citizen isn't one random disease away from bankruptcy is socialism, but corporations getting handouts, or being allowed to defeat capitalism via lobbying is perfectly acceptable.

 
Can you seriously address anything that i'm saying or..all do you have is straw-men arguments? I said nothing about partisan politics, or socialism. What part of MOST AMERICANS AGREE ON THESE ISSUES do you not understand?

Don’t get triggered, comrade.

Understand what I’m saying to you.

I’m not interested in your political talking points or what you’re selling. Take it to the WEZ or another board.

I’m sure you’re morally superior in every way to an inferior creature, such as myself, and when you’re ilk takes over you can institute a progrom to get rid of me and my kind.

Have a nice day.
 
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Don’t get triggered, comrade.

Understand what I’m saying to you.

I’m not interested in your political talking points or what you’re selling. Take it to the WEZ or another board.

I’m sure you’re morally superior in every way to an inferior creature, such as myself, and when you’re ilk takes over you can institute a progrom to get rid of me and my kind.

Have a nice day.

Do you mean the type of programs they instituted in **** Germany during WWII? Or what what about the program to deport migrant families? Didn't inferior creatures implement these programs, or was it individuals who were morally superior?
 
Do you mean the type of programs they instituted in **** Germany during WWII? Or what what about the program to deport migrant families? Didn't inferior creatures implement these programs, or was it individuals who were morally superior?

Please stop.

You seem to want to impose your beliefs on me.

How many different ways must I tell you, NO. 100% disinterested in your opinion. I don’t put people on ignore, so you’re making this difficult.

I’m seriously not interested.

Find another willing dupe. I’m not that guy.

Go howl at somebody else.
 
Do you mean the type of programs they instituted in **** Germany during WWII? Or what what about the program to deport migrant families? Didn't inferior creatures implement these programs, or was it individuals who were morally superior?
I'm your huckleberry.

He's probably referring to the reeducation programs many communist/socialist regimes implement to silence dissent. The inferior creature probably refers to the air if superiority the "enlightened" socialists feel over the rest of us who "don't know what's good for us."

I don't mean to speak for OCCC, as he's completely capable, but if you're going to try selling authoritarianism on the anniversary of D-Day, expect a little blowback from the descendants of those who resisted the first time.
 
There's only one problem, most Ivy League schools do not give merit aid(They would have to give it to most of their incoming classes, and they don't want to). If you have two working parents, their income will, in most cases easily eclipse the mark set to ensure free tuition. Once you get past that mark, the government is extremely unlikely to give you anything other than loans and a smattering of grants. The typical middle class kid has parents that make too much, and the only way a kid can get around that is to declare themselves an independent individual, which is a process all in itself.

What government? The grants are from the school. Sorry, but I don’t think you know what you’re talking about.
 
What government? The grants are from the school. Sorry, but I don’t think you know what you’re talking about.

Do you understand the concept of the FAFSA form? Do you not understand that most grants given out for higher education come from the federal government? Now, Ivy League schools may make up the difference with their own individual grant structures, but that is a significantly smaller percentage.
 
I'm your huckleberry.

He's probably referring to the reeducation programs many communist/socialist regimes implement to silence dissent. The inferior creature probably refers to the air if superiority the "enlightened" socialists feel over the rest of us who "don't know what's good for us."

I don't mean to speak for OCCC, as he's completely capable, but if you're going to try selling authoritarianism on the anniversary of D-Day, expect a little blowback from the descendants of those who resisted the first time.

What kind of delusional person equates universal healthcare, and funding for public education as programs that belong under an authoritarian style of govt? Ironically not even countries where Fascism or Socialism actually took place believe in that type of horse ****. Clinging to ideals of freedom, while simultaneously voting against your own economic self-interests does not make you free. It only makes you more enslaved.
 
Remember the following: Ensuring that a citizen isn't one random disease away from bankruptcy is socialism, but corporations getting handouts, or being allowed to defeat capitalism via lobbying is perfectly acceptable.


Loved Carlin...was lucky enough to see him here in Orlando in 2003...Had me in Tears for 2hrs...
 
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What kind of delusional person equates universal healthcare, and funding for public education as programs that belong under an authoritarian style of govt? Ironically not even countries where Fascism or Socialism actually took place believe in that type of horse ****. Clinging to ideals of freedom, while simultaneously voting against your own economic self-interests does not make you free. It only makes you more enslaved.
Well, the Castro regime for one.
 
Do you understand the concept of the FAFSA form? Do you not understand that most grants given out for higher education come from the federal government? Now, Ivy League schools may make up the difference with their own individual grant structures, but that is a significantly smaller percentage.

80% or more of the grants I received were from the University.
 
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