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Here is a link to a site that keeps College Football stats and you can filter out FCS and Non-power 5 Teams in order to get a more accurate ranking.

College Football Stats : Defensive rankings
http://www.cfbstats.com/2014/leader/national/team/defense/split01/category09/sort01.html

Go Canes

As of 12/23/2014

2014 Miami Defensive Rankings

Total Defense vs All = 15
Total Defense vs FBS = 24
Total Defense vs Pw5 = 17

Total Defense vs FBS = 23
(winning Programs)

Scoring Defense vs All = 42
Scoring Defense vs FBS = 52
Scoring Defense vs Pw5 = 37

Scoring Defense vs FBS = 37
(winning Programs)

So Miami's defense when it comes to the basic premise of the bend but don't break style that Al Golden has been forcing on Miami has broken since it is ranked 52nd among FBS schools in the most important category; scoring defense. If teams can't score they shouldn't be able to win right?

An just for reference:

2013 Miami Scoring Defense vs FBS = 69
2012 Miami Scoring Defense vs FBS = 86
2011 Miami Scoring Defense vs FBS = 18
2010 Miami Scoring Defense vs FBS = 32
 
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All anyone needs to know is his team crapped the bed when they faced anyone with a pulse. Throw stats out the window as anyone can see with their two eyes, our defense is nowhere near the factually correct statistic he'll keep throwing around.

Nice analysis, but I don't need that. You could do the same for Shannon (who most feel is an adequate DC) and end up with much the same. I always said Shannon's DC numbers were a direct result of being in the ACC, but admittedly he was far better than the current group.
 
6-6 with losses to Pitt and Virgina to end the yr, the team has quit on Al, feel bad for the players gonna be ugly for another yr
 
I wonder what the scoring defense is when you only count points given up on the defense. The small problem with scoring defense stats is that they include all scores, even those against your offense and special teams.
 
INCaneFan said:
All anyone needs to know is his team crapped the bed when they faced anyone with a pulse. Throw stats out the window as anyone can see with their two eyes, our defense is nowhere near the factually correct statistic he'll keep throwing around.

Nice analysis, but I don't need that. You could do the same for Shannon (who most feel is an adequate DC) and end up with much the same. I always said Shannon's DC numbers were a direct result of being in the ACC, but admittedly he was far better than the current group.
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Shannon's D's often were top 10 in both scoring and total D. He was consistently top 10 in passing defense. And this was before playing in the ACC.

2001: 6th in total D, 1st in scoring D, 2nd in Pass D, 40th in rush D, 1st (by a mile) in turnovers
2002: 7th in total D, 22nd in scoring D, 1st in Pass D, 72nd in rush D, 70th in turnovers
2003: 2nd in total D, 4th in scoring D, 1st in pass D, 21st in rush D, 14th in turnovers
2004: 28th in total D, 13th in scoring D, 9th in pass D, 67th in rush D, 18th in turnovers
2005: 5th in total D, 4th in scoring D, 1st in pass D, 23rd in rush D, 16th in turnovers
2006: 7th in total D, 13th in scoring D, 40th in pass D, 4th in rush D, 78th in turnovers

Randy's Cover 2 man system, which he actually got from Dolphins DC Jim Bates and HC Dave Wanstache, was exceedingly effective.

5/6 seasons top 10 in total D.
3/6 seasons top 5 in scoring D, 5/6 seasons in the top 15, and never not in the top 25.
5/6 seasons top 10 in pass D, including THREE number one finishes
4/6 top 25 turnovers.

The ONLY area where Randy's defenses were not consistently elite over a long period were his rush defense, which is extremely common for Cover 2 man teams who by nature have a softer box bc the safeties are pass players first.

Once again, INCane*** showing his ***......
 
what rank is 4-5 against power 5 conferences?

****?
****tier?
or ****tiest?
 
What is confusing about the stats is that the if the reranking is to be believed, it means that many teams ranked below us in overall defense did real well against the Power 5 but gave up an inordinate amount of yards to lesser conference/FCS teams. Doesn't make a lot of sense.
 
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GoldenShowers said:
INCaneFan said:
All anyone needs to know is his team crapped the bed when they faced anyone with a pulse. Throw stats out the window as anyone can see with their two eyes, our defense is nowhere near the factually correct statistic he'll keep throwing around.

Nice analysis, but I don't need that. You could do the same for Shannon (who most feel is an adequate DC) and end up with much the same. I always said Shannon's DC numbers were a direct result of being in the ACC, but admittedly he was far better than the current group.
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Shannon's D's often were top 10 in both scoring and total D. He was consistently top 10 in passing defense. And this was before playing in the ACC.

2001: 6th in total D, 1st in scoring D, 2nd in Pass D, 40th in rush D, 1st (by a mile) in turnovers
2002: 7th in total D, 22nd in scoring D, 1st in Pass D, 72nd in rush D, 70th in turnovers
2003: 2nd in total D, 4th in scoring D, 1st in pass D, 21st in rush D, 14th in turnovers
2004: 28th in total D, 13th in scoring D, 9th in pass D, 67th in rush D, 18th in turnovers
2005: 5th in total D, 4th in scoring D, 1st in pass D, 23rd in rush D, 16th in turnovers
2006: 7th in total D, 13th in scoring D, 40th in pass D, 4th in rush D, 78th in turnovers

Randy's Cover 2 man system, which he actually got from Dolphins DC Jim Bates and HC Dave Wanstache, was exceedingly effective.

5/6 seasons top 10 in total D.
3/6 seasons top 5 in scoring D, 5/6 seasons in the top 15, and never not in the top 25.
5/6 seasons top 10 in pass D, including THREE number one finishes
4/6 top 25 turnovers.

The ONLY area where Randy's defenses were not consistently elite over a long period were his rush defense, which is extremely common for Cover 2 man teams who by nature have a softer box bc the safeties are pass players first.

Once again, INCane*** showing his ***......
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What happened as the talent started disappearing and who's fault was that?

Talented teams in the BE, but a lot of crappy teams. Now apply all of those numbers with the same things taken out as the OP, they drop.

Outside of 2 or 3 years, Shannon's defenses were vastly overrated. In particular as time went on, but thank you for posting those stats as I've debated this before.

P.s. If you take Shannon's numbers as they are without any outside thought, then Al's number defensively this year is what he should be credited for. I say he shouldn't, but what say you?
 
INCaneFan said:
GoldenShowers said:
INCaneFan said:
All anyone needs to know is his team crapped the bed when they faced anyone with a pulse. Throw stats out the window as anyone can see with their two eyes, our defense is nowhere near the factually correct statistic he'll keep throwing around.

Nice analysis, but I don't need that. You could do the same for Shannon (who most feel is an adequate DC) and end up with much the same. I always said Shannon's DC numbers were a direct result of being in the ACC, but admittedly he was far better than the current group.
Click to expand...

Shannon's D's often were top 10 in both scoring and total D. He was consistently top 10 in passing defense. And this was before playing in the ACC.

2001: 6th in total D, 1st in scoring D, 2nd in Pass D, 40th in rush D, 1st (by a mile) in turnovers
2002: 7th in total D, 22nd in scoring D, 1st in Pass D, 72nd in rush D, 70th in turnovers
2003: 2nd in total D, 4th in scoring D, 1st in pass D, 21st in rush D, 14th in turnovers
2004: 28th in total D, 13th in scoring D, 9th in pass D, 67th in rush D, 18th in turnovers
2005: 5th in total D, 4th in scoring D, 1st in pass D, 23rd in rush D, 16th in turnovers
2006: 7th in total D, 13th in scoring D, 40th in pass D, 4th in rush D, 78th in turnovers

Randy's Cover 2 man system, which he actually got from Dolphins DC Jim Bates and HC Dave Wanstache, was exceedingly effective.

5/6 seasons top 10 in total D.
3/6 seasons top 5 in scoring D, 5/6 seasons in the top 15, and never not in the top 25.
5/6 seasons top 10 in pass D, including THREE number one finishes
4/6 top 25 turnovers.

The ONLY area where Randy's defenses were not consistently elite over a long period were his rush defense, which is extremely common for Cover 2 man teams who by nature have a softer box bc the safeties are pass players first.

Once again, INCane*** showing his ***......
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What happened as the talent started disappearing and who's fault was that?

Talented teams in the BE, but a lot of crappy teams. Now apply all of those numbers with the same things taken out as the OP, they drop.

Outside of 2 or 3 years, Shannon's defenses were vastly overrated. In particular as time went on, but thank you for posting those stats as I've debated this before.

P.s. If you take Shannon's numbers as they are without any outside thought, then Al's number defensively this year is what he should be credited for. I say he shouldn't, but what say you?
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Come on man as the talent left RS still had strong defenses. Anytime a track walk on such as Javon Nanton can come and give you 6 sacks the coach is doing his thing. Even our worst team in the past 29 years in 07 had a strong defense with the exception of 3 games and they were straight up scrubs. RS had good defenses from 01-07. He was consistent when the talent left. Look at the 05 defense. They had some talent but it wasn't close to the 01 talent yet they were productive.
 
micmeistr8 said:
6-6 is the only stat that matters
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THIS

Let's stop playing the slurper's game of selecting the agenda, and moving the goalposts. 6-6 is the bottom line as it takes in all the stats.

For Goldie to raise anything besides the W-L record, is mere obfuscation and an admittance of his inadequacy. He has been exposed as a CORCH. Since he has no dignity, nor pride, nor self-respect, he chooses to dangle his rotting stenching corpse, for all to see. Yes, I can smell his incompetence all the way to the upper Chesapeake Bay.

Let the BOT do the humane thing; cut the rope; feed the fishes.
 
GoldenShowers said:
INCaneFan said:
All anyone needs to know is his team crapped the bed when they faced anyone with a pulse. Throw stats out the window as anyone can see with their two eyes, our defense is nowhere near the factually correct statistic he'll keep throwing around.

Nice analysis, but I don't need that. You could do the same for Shannon (who most feel is an adequate DC) and end up with much the same. I always said Shannon's DC numbers were a direct result of being in the ACC, but admittedly he was far better than the current group.
Click to expand...

Shannon's D's often were top 10 in both scoring and total D. He was consistently top 10 in passing defense. And this was before playing in the ACC.

2001: 6th in total D, 1st in scoring D, 2nd in Pass D, 40th in rush D, 1st (by a mile) in turnovers
2002: 7th in total D, 22nd in scoring D, 1st in Pass D, 72nd in rush D, 70th in turnovers
2003: 2nd in total D, 4th in scoring D, 1st in pass D, 21st in rush D, 14th in turnovers
2004: 28th in total D, 13th in scoring D, 9th in pass D, 67th in rush D, 18th in turnovers
2005: 5th in total D, 4th in scoring D, 1st in pass D, 23rd in rush D, 16th in turnovers
2006: 7th in total D, 13th in scoring D, 40th in pass D, 4th in rush D, 78th in turnovers

Randy's Cover 2 man system, which he actually got from Dolphins DC Jim Bates and HC Dave Wanstache, was exceedingly effective.

5/6 seasons top 10 in total D.
3/6 seasons top 5 in scoring D, 5/6 seasons in the top 15, and never not in the top 25.
5/6 seasons top 10 in pass D, including THREE number one finishes
4/6 top 25 turnovers.

The ONLY area where Randy's defenses were not consistently elite over a long period were his rush defense, which is extremely common for Cover 2 man teams who by nature have a softer box bc the safeties are pass players first.

Once again, INCane*** showing his ***......
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Yea, the comment about his defenses only being whatever cuz of the acc is just silly. Shannon's issue was he lacked the forsite that a true NFL coach has for example allowing questionable personel match ups at critical times ( sharp vs Jenkins/ gamble.....r. Phillips vs Douglas etc). He also tried to hard to carve his own niche instead of sticking to his teachings. It s fine to have your own way of doing things but you have to be flexible.
 
lauderdaleballer said:
INCaneFan said:
GoldenShowers said:
INCaneFan said:
All anyone needs to know is his team crapped the bed when they faced anyone with a pulse. Throw stats out the window as anyone can see with their two eyes, our defense is nowhere near the factually correct statistic he'll keep throwing around.

Nice analysis, but I don't need that. You could do the same for Shannon (who most feel is an adequate DC) and end up with much the same. I always said Shannon's DC numbers were a direct result of being in the ACC, but admittedly he was far better than the current group.
Click to expand...

Shannon's D's often were top 10 in both scoring and total D. He was consistently top 10 in passing defense. And this was before playing in the ACC.

2001: 6th in total D, 1st in scoring D, 2nd in Pass D, 40th in rush D, 1st (by a mile) in turnovers
2002: 7th in total D, 22nd in scoring D, 1st in Pass D, 72nd in rush D, 70th in turnovers
2003: 2nd in total D, 4th in scoring D, 1st in pass D, 21st in rush D, 14th in turnovers
2004: 28th in total D, 13th in scoring D, 9th in pass D, 67th in rush D, 18th in turnovers
2005: 5th in total D, 4th in scoring D, 1st in pass D, 23rd in rush D, 16th in turnovers
2006: 7th in total D, 13th in scoring D, 40th in pass D, 4th in rush D, 78th in turnovers

Randy's Cover 2 man system, which he actually got from Dolphins DC Jim Bates and HC Dave Wanstache, was exceedingly effective.

5/6 seasons top 10 in total D.
3/6 seasons top 5 in scoring D, 5/6 seasons in the top 15, and never not in the top 25.
5/6 seasons top 10 in pass D, including THREE number one finishes
4/6 top 25 turnovers.

The ONLY area where Randy's defenses were not consistently elite over a long period were his rush defense, which is extremely common for Cover 2 man teams who by nature have a softer box bc the safeties are pass players first.

Once again, INCane*** showing his ***......
Click to expand...

What happened as the talent started disappearing and who's fault was that?

Talented teams in the BE, but a lot of crappy teams. Now apply all of those numbers with the same things taken out as the OP, they drop.

Outside of 2 or 3 years, Shannon's defenses were vastly overrated. In particular as time went on, but thank you for posting those stats as I've debated this before.

P.s. Ifs you take Shannon's numbers as they are without any outside thought, then Al's number defensively this year is what he should be credited for. I say he shouldn't, but what say you?
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Come on man as the talent left RS still had strong defenses. Anytime a track walk on such as Javon Nanton can come and give you 6 sacks the coach is doing his thing. Even our worst team in the past 29 years in 07 had a strong defense with the exception of 3 games and they were straight up scrubs. RS had good defenses from 01-07. He was consistent when the talent left. Look at the 05 defense. They had some talent but it wasn't close to the 01 talent yet they were productive.
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And who's defense doesn't fall off when the talent level drops? Pete carrol? Please. Go look at 2008 then his last year in 2009 where teams set records against his USC defense. This type of thing is true for any coach not just shannon.
 
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LOLOL INCane*** claims that Shannon's D fell off as if they took a nose dive.

The talent diminished massively, yet in 2005 he still had top 5 scoring and total D's.

In that cluster**** of a 2006 season, the last one as a DC, he had a top 10 total D and top 15 scoring D. Despite having less than half the talent of the earlier squads.

Yea, real dropoff. Shannon had consistently better numbers for a longer period than Narduzzi, Muschamp, Pruitt, Stoops, Pelini, Chris Ashe, tons of cats dudes jerk off to here.

And this is coming from a guy who refers to Randy as Radio b/c he was that bad as a HC. It's also why no matter how good a college coordinator is, it's dangerous to assume they will be effective head coaches. But to say Randy wasn't elite as a coordinator is just plain retarded. Not many coordinators can point to numbers like that.
 
GoldenShowers said:
LOLOL INCane*** claims that Shannon's D fell off as if they took a nose dive.

The talent diminished massively, yet in 2005 he still had top 5 scoring and total D's.

In that cluster**** of a 2006 season, the last one as a DC, he had a top 10 total D and top 15 scoring D. Despite having less than half the talent of the earlier squads.

Yea, real dropoff. Shannon had consistently better numbers for a longer period than Narduzzi, Muschamp, Pruitt, Stoops, Pelini, Chris Ashe, tons of cats dudes jerk off to here.

And this is coming from a guy who refers to Randy as Radio b/c he was that bad as a HC. It's also why no matter how good a college coordinator is, it's dangerous to assume they will be effective head coaches. But to say Randy wasn't elite as a coordinator is just plain retarded. Not many coordinators can point to numbers like that.
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Don't get it twisted Radio's Defense is just as Fake as Foldens
 
6-6....in year 4
repeated losses to Virginia
Have never won the coastal
30% of the players recruited dismissed or never made it in.

These are the only stats that matter
 
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