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Yet, it happened anyway. Just think about it. Howard S. wanted to win a NC in 5 years, NOT UM. UM just wanted a football team that won more than they lost. We won a NC. Jimmy was brought in from OK State. What had he done? Nothing? However, Jimmy was hungry and had a chip (Big 8) on his shoulder. He was determined to get the respect that was given to Oklahoma and Nebraska. It worked out...We Won a NC. Dennis E. came from Wash State. What had he done? Nothing. He was Jankovich's boy. We won 2 NCs. Butch was brought in to simply sustain something that resembled a Football Program, due to the the LOSS OF 31 Scholarships. Butch exceeded expectations. Yet, UM failed to lock him down with a long term deal. The deal should have been sealed within a week after UM beat FSU in 2000, not waiting to begin discussions after the season. Plus, before the season ended, the NFL rumors for Butch had started.

Coker is hired. What had he done? Nothing. He proved he was a really good coordinator, but that is it. Yet, we won a NC, but Coker could not maintain the program.

Shannon is hired. What had he done? Nothing. He proved he was a Great Defensive Coordinator, but that is it. ****, I would take Shannon back in a Heart Beat to run our Defense.

Golden is hired. What had he done? Nothing. He proved he was an average at best defensive coordinator, but that is it. As a head coach at Temple, Golden Only Beat Teams That Had Losing Records. Proper Vetting by UM would have illustrated that fact.

No football program made more money than UM in the 80s and early 90s. Yet, UM rarely invested Money back into the program. Instead, UM focused on its academic infrastructure. Academics are important, but football was the cash cow and it was ignored. Why? UM never wanted to be a Football Power. IT JUST HAPPENED.
 
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Most College Presidents and ADs would give their left nut and let you bang their wife for a legit opportunity to win a Football NC.

Well, UM has won 5 without really trying.

Obviously, UM should fire Golden. The right hire is Butch Davis because: (1) he is great coach (2) it would be a value hire (2.5 Million per year get's it done) and (3) Butch has unfinished business.....THAT NC.
 
if only UM realized that a consistently successful football program would do wonders for the academic programs alike. what a shame
 
Interesting theory. Kinda makes sense. But it's just a theory. People shouldn't run with theories as if they are facts. Any national championship has an amount of luck involved.
 
The college football landscape has changed. Even with the most fertile recruiting base in our back yard, we need the admin/BOT to step up and make winning a priority. We simply cannot continue to hire bad AD's and coaches - the last 10+ years speak for themselves. Sadly, I have zero confidence this will be done.

As long as this admin accepts mediocrity and irrelevance nothing will change.

Pimp Tight said:
Yet, it happened anyway. Just think about it. Howard S. wanted to win a NC in 5 years, NOT UM. UM just wanted a football team that won more than they lost. We won a NC. Jimmy was brought in from OK State. What had he done? Nothing? However, Jimmy was hungry and had a chip (Big 8) on his shoulder. He was determined to get the respect that was given to Oklahoma and Nebraska. It worked out...We Won a NC. Dennis E. came from Wash State. What had he done? Nothing. He was Jankovich's boy. We won 2 NCs. Butch was brought in to simply sustain something that resembled a Football Program, due to the the LOSS OF 31 Scholarships. Butch exceeded expectations. Yet, UM failed to lock him down with a long term deal. The deal should have been sealed within a week after UM beat FSU in 2000, not waiting to begin discussions after the season. Plus, before the season ended, the NFL rumors for Butch had started.

Coker is hired. What had he done? Nothing. He proved he was a really good coordinator, but that is it. Yet, we won a NC, but Coker could not maintain the program.

Shannon is hired. What had he done? Nothing. He proved he was a Great Defensive Coordinator, but that is it. ****, I would take Shannon back in a Heart Beat to run our Defense.

Golden is hired. What had he done? Nothing. He proved he was an average at best defensive coordinator, but that is it. As a head coach at Temple, Golden Only Beat Teams That Had Losing Records. Proper Vetting by UM would have illustrated that fact.

No football program made more money than UM in the 80s and early 90s. Yet, UM rarely invested Money back into the program. Instead, UM focused on its academic infrastructure. Academics are important, but football was the cash cow and it was ignored. Why? UM never wanted to be a Football Power. IT JUST HAPPENED.
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Kirijax said:
Interesting theory. Kinda makes sense. But it's just a theory. People shouldn't run with theories as if they are facts. Any inational championship has an amount of luck involved.
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This is not a Theory! It's FACT.

Alabama did not wins its most recent NCs by luck. They paid for it. That is, they spent the money to bring in Saban.
 
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you really think JJ and Pink did nothing before becoming UM's head coach. I'd say they accomplished just as much if not more than some coaches that were hired at other prominent football schools. Also in the past the school has been one of the better paying college football jobs in the country (**** even if you go back to the Saban years when the AD was basically broke he was going to make $375k over 6 years compared to FSU only paying Bobby $35k per during that same time period). Biggest problem w/ Miami is they were spoiled w/ the JJ/Pink/Butch hires and just assumed that anyone could coach at Miami and win (who wouldn't have believed that looking at UM's success in the 80's-90's with coaching hires.) Problem is they broke the norm and hired within on back to back hires and then tried to go back to the grass roots hiring process and just made a bad choice. Winning at Miami doesn't require a gargantuan list of things.
 
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This.

The Alabama AD was quoted recently, the investment in Nick Saban has paid off by a factor of 10.
Pimp Tight said:
Kirijax said:
Interesting theory. Kinda makes sense. But it's just a theory. People shouldn't run with theories as if they are facts. Any inational championship has an amount of luck involved.
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This is not a Theory! It's FACT.

Alabama did not wins its most NCs by luck. They paid for it. That is, they spent the money to bring in Saban.
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robbymoto said:
This.

The Alabama AD was quoted recently, the investment in Nick Saban has paid off by a factor of 10.
Pimp Tight said:
Kirijax said:
Interesting theory. Kinda makes sense. But it's just a theory. People shouldn't run with theories as if they are facts. Any inational championship has an amount of luck involved.
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This is not a Theory! It's FACT.

Alabama did not wins its most NCs by luck. They paid for it. That is, they spent the money to bring in Saban.
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I've been saying and saying it.

A really good coach never actually COSTS a penny. He earns HIS salary, and a whole lot more.

That's why this administration should take Economics 101 and Marketing 101. Because they're some stupid SOB's.
 
I honestly think shalala has downs syndrome. So hellbent on academics but as someone said above, fails to have the common sense of knowing that dominant athletic programs RAKE in cash to boost the academia of the university.

Get all of these ******s out of here. From the top to bottom
 
algoldenshair said:
I honestly think shalala has downs syndrome. So hellbent on academics but as someone said above, fails to have the common sense of knowing that dominant athletic programs RAKE in cash to boost the academia of the university.

Get all of these ******s out of here. From the top to bottom
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They (Administration) have definitely forgot what put UM on the map.
 
There's plenty of truth to this. I was jumping up and down and more nervous before the 2 point conversion play against Nebraska than any point in my life. I assumed it was our one and only chance.

BTW, it's hilarious when Kosar and others dismiss the significance of that play, saying we still had time. Talk about clueless in terms of probability. So many things can go wrong, like a penalty on the kickoff return, or simple normalcy. Heck, our kicker missed a midrange field goal that would have put the game away on the prior possession.

Tad Foote told Schnellenberger to go win a national championship and then we'll discuss an on-campus stadium because he didn't think there was a fleck of chance. To this day our fans throw out the term national championship like it's water. I've read comments that we need to take advantage of the Kaaya era by winning a title. Oh sure, we're ready to run the table. Year or three. No problem.

Our fans in that 20 year period were so spoiled they lost all sense of perspective. Contending for national titles is incredibly difficult to achieve and maintain, let alone actually winning them. Older fans like myself (50s) have an advantage because we experienced those Friday night years and realize the OP is correct, that it happened mostly by accident. Even during the Lou Saban era immediately preceding Schnellenberger nobody was talking about a football resurgence. I was hoping for an occasional minor bowl. Heck, the Peach Bowl berth was so exciting my parents made the trip to Atlanta and I turned down a long planned outing with friends at USC to stay at our apartment and watch the game.
 
Butch Davis intentionally put together the greatest team in NCAA football history.

All we need is Butch.......Butch is all we need.
 
I agree with you. But one argument against you is that if the administration didn't care, they wouldn't have fired Randy. He was doing a great job in the community and players were performing above and beyond in the classroom.

If they fired Randy, they will fire Al.

That being said, the amount of money they will pay a HC will tell you how much we care about winning.
 
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Rd745 said:
I agree with you. But one argument against you is that if the administration didn't care, they wouldn't have fired Randy. He was doing a great job in the community and players were performing above and beyond in the classroom.

If they fired Randy, they will fire Al.

That being said, the amount of money they will pay a HC will tell you how much we care about winning.
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Actually the administration showed they did not care by hiring golden. Again, like I said earlier, what had golden done to deserve to coach at the University of Miami? The answer is nothing. He never beat a winning team.
 
Pimp Tight said:
Yet, it happened anyway. Just think about it. Howard S. wanted to win a NC in 5 years, NOT UM. UM just wanted a football team that won more than they lost. We won a NC. Jimmy was brought in from OK State. What had he done? Nothing? However, Jimmy was hungry and had a chip (Big 8) on his shoulder. He was determined to get the respect that was given to Oklahoma and Nebraska. It worked out...We Won a NC. Dennis E. came from Wash State. What had he done? Nothing. He was Jankovich's boy. We won 2 NCs. Butch was brought in to simply sustain something that resembled a Football Program, due to the the LOSS OF 31 Scholarships. Butch exceeded expectations. Yet, UM failed to lock him down with a long term deal. The deal should have been sealed within a week after UM beat FSU in 2000, not waiting to begin discussions after the season. Plus, before the season ended, the NFL rumors for Butch had started.

Coker is hired. What had he done? Nothing. He proved he was a really good coordinator, but that is it. Yet, we won a NC, but Coker could not maintain the program.

Shannon is hired. What had he done? Nothing. He proved he was a Great Defensive Coordinator, but that is it. ****, I would take Shannon back in a Heart Beat to run our Defense.

Golden is hired. What had he done? Nothing. He proved he was an average at best defensive coordinator, but that is it. As a head coach at Temple, Golden Only Beat Teams That Had Losing Records. Proper Vetting by UM would have illustrated that fact.

No football program made more money than UM in the 80s and early 90s. Yet, UM rarely invested Money back into the program. Instead, UM focused on its academic infrastructure. Academics are important, but football was the cash cow and it was ignored. Why? UM never wanted to be a Football Power. IT JUST HAPPENED.
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Church, Tabernacle.................Cathedral!
 
AMEN to comments on President/BOT having to commit to a top program.. Football is an ATM machine and $$$$ has gone to buildings
need Senior mgmt to step up on salaries,(including staff) facilities( indoor practice facility(theirs room somewhere) S&C continued upgrades
support staff, long term plan for stadium in Miami( Ft.Lauderdale location will not get it)Still think Howard S would fill a role as well
solid consistent input from JJ as well. why not use sam Y as a sounding board or a consultant on issues. we need to rely on successful people who care about Miami Football.......HC change is getting stale, Donna & company with their hires is like watching reruns of bad movies over & over
AD's & HC's would rather wait a year on new President than force issue now. remember Blake & Donna really got out negotiated on Al's contract
As much as we want staff changes i think Al's contract gives him first and only decision maker on staff.......period
still feel we are at a crossroads of sorts and new President really is key to Football regaining relevance on a national scale
 
The difference in the OP's general point is that UM became a power because Tad Foote stayed out of the way(for the most part) whereas Donna has her hands all over everything and micromanages. If Donna would have backed off and allowed the AD to have complete autonomy over the football program and allowed the AD to approve of coaches salaries that are in line with other top programs, then we would be all high fiving each other instead of droning on and on for a decade now.

Therein lies the difference.
 
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