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Bruce Feldman out with an article today on the top college coaching jobs. He did a poll and ranked the top jobs. We can in 13th. When you read the article it's pretty clear what really elevates the top jobs, resources. The article basically reiterates what we already know. Unless there is a complete commitment to support football we will continue to be middle of the road. I left in some of the relevant pieces of the write ups for the top 5, but see the entire Clemson write up. That's what we need to do.

1. Alabama​

Points: 406
Total votes: 98
First-place votes: 55

The real reason is that everyone who touches the football program at Alabama is dedicated to one thing and one thing only: winning the national title. The program gets what it needs and what it wants. If Nick Saban wants to add five analysts whose only job is to dissect every time an opposing coach has punted in the past 20 years, then he’s not going to have to fight anyone to get those jobs created.

2. Ohio State​

Points: 308
Total votes: 97
First-place votes: 11

That combined with a crazy-passionate fan base, an iconic stadium, an intense rival and an athletic director willing to give the coach all the resources under the sun to be successful, and you have the reason why the Buckeyes are the only program in college football that has never had a prolonged era of being down. While college football staffers had a wide variety of opinions on which schools belonged in the top two, the two jobs that received the most total votes were Alabama (98) and Ohio State (97).

3. Georgia​

Points: 224
Total votes: 72
First-place votes: 11

The other factor that drove Georgia up the list is a donor base that demanded the administration stop pinching pennies and start pouring resources into football facilities. This coincided with the firing of Mark Richt and the hiring of Smart. Georgia wasn’t always the kind of place where the coach could get what he asked for every time. It basically is now. One staffer who put Georgia atop their list said it came down to support from donors and the fan base and pure potential. The only potential drawback of the Georgia job? You have to win the national title or else. Smart hasn’t won one yet, though this year’s team certainly could be capable

4. Texas​

Points: 164
Total votes: 55
First-place votes: 11

They still make more money than anyone. They’re still located in an attractive city. They’re still living in an incredibly talent-rich state. Tom Herman and Charlie Strong were able to recruit at a top-five level early in their tenures regardless of record. The Longhorns haven’t done a great job lately of leveraging all that into the steady high-level success Mack Brown enjoyed, but it’s easy to see why many in the industry still believe this job can be one of the finest when fully optimized.

5. LSU​

Points: 159
Total votes: 49
First-place votes: 14

Their school is completely committed to competing at the highest level, and their program has excellent support, facilities and a gameday atmosphere that’s hard to beat. For those reasons, LSU was the job that received the second-most first-place votes, which ultimately made the difference in voting between the No. 5 and No. 6 job.

7. Clemson

Points: 129
Total votes: 46
First-place votes: 5

It isn’t an exaggeration to say Dabo Swinney made Clemson into one of the best jobs in America. He did it first by winning, but he also did it by convincing Clemson’s administration that running Clemson more like one of the SEC’s best programs would pay huge dividends for the school and for the rest of the athletic department. What did he say to convince his bosses?

“You can’t win the Kentucky Derby on a donkey.”

Swinney said this when Saban was first starting to build his army of analysts at the start of the last decade. Swinney had a fairly bare-bones support staff, and he knew that if Clemson ever hoped to compete for national titles, it would need to be able to beat Alabama. So he worked to make Clemson’s infrastructure closer to Alabama’s. The results proved Swinney correct, and now he doesn’t have to fight nearly as hard.

“Incredible institutional support,” one rival ACC staffer said.

That isn’t to say that Swinney didn’t already have some great clay from which to mold. Clemson’s fan base is much more like an SEC group than an ACC one. The atmosphere in Death Valley is electric. As for recruiting territory, those who never have driven from Atlanta to Clemson probably have no idea how close it is. (Two hours from Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport to Clemson if it isn’t rush hour; much quicker from Gwinnett or Cobb County.) Charlotte, a fast-growing wellspring of talent, also is an easy drive. Plus, after losing Alshon Jeffery, Stephon Gilmore, Marcus Lattimore and Jadeveon Clowney to South Carolina, Clemson has completely locked down its home state for nearly 10 years. Swinney turned the donkey into a thoroughbred.

“Clemson is absolutely a top-five job,” one SEC staffer argued, “and there is an argument for it being No. 1.”
 
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KingB02 said:
why did you not post what they wrote about Miami? Also, top 13 is not middle of the road. If we had top 13 coaching along with our top 15 talent we currently have we would be in the accg every year and potentially move up to top 7
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He didn't write anything about Miami. He wrote about the top 12. Our performance is middle of the road. If you have job that is 13th without resources or support, imagine what it would be if you dedicated the resources like the top programs. We would easily be top 5.
 
All those jobs you listed have some pretty glaring things in common and stark contrast to UM. Biggest is donor base and FULL administration support/buy-in.
 
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Miami is the best get rich quick for college coaches , coach 2-3 years get bought out get hired as assistant somew and get paid in both places same time .

Retire soon after rich
 
BigCaneAl said:
Bruce Feldman out with an article today on the top college coaching jobs. He did a poll and ranked the top jobs. We can in 13th. When you read the article it's pretty clear what really elevates the top jobs, resources. The article basically reiterates what we already know. Unless there is a complete commitment to support football we will continue to be middle of the road. I left in some of the relevant pieces of the write ups for the top 5, but see the entire Clemson write up. That's what we need to do.

1. Alabama​

Points: 406
Total votes: 98
First-place votes: 55

The real reason is that everyone who touches the football program at Alabama is dedicated to one thing and one thing only: winning the national title. The program gets what it needs and what it wants. If Nick Saban wants to add five analysts whose only job is to dissect every time an opposing coach has punted in the past 20 years, then he’s not going to have to fight anyone to get those jobs created.

2. Ohio State​

Points: 308
Total votes: 97
First-place votes: 11

That combined with a crazy-passionate fan base, an iconic stadium, an intense rival and an athletic director willing to give the coach all the resources under the sun to be successful, and you have the reason why the Buckeyes are the only program in college football that has never had a prolonged era of being down. While college football staffers had a wide variety of opinions on which schools belonged in the top two, the two jobs that received the most total votes were Alabama (98) and Ohio State (97).

3. Georgia​

Points: 224
Total votes: 72
First-place votes: 11

The other factor that drove Georgia up the list is a donor base that demanded the administration stop pinching pennies and start pouring resources into football facilities. This coincided with the firing of Mark Richt and the hiring of Smart. Georgia wasn’t always the kind of place where the coach could get what he asked for every time. It basically is now. One staffer who put Georgia atop their list said it came down to support from donors and the fan base and pure potential. The only potential drawback of the Georgia job? You have to win the national title or else. Smart hasn’t won one yet, though this year’s team certainly could be capable

4. Texas​

Points: 164
Total votes: 55
First-place votes: 11

They still make more money than anyone. They’re still located in an attractive city. They’re still living in an incredibly talent-rich state. Tom Herman and Charlie Strong were able to recruit at a top-five level early in their tenures regardless of record. The Longhorns haven’t done a great job lately of leveraging all that into the steady high-level success Mack Brown enjoyed, but it’s easy to see why many in the industry still believe this job can be one of the finest when fully optimized.

5. LSU​

Points: 159
Total votes: 49
First-place votes: 14

Their school is completely committed to competing at the highest level, and their program has excellent support, facilities and a gameday atmosphere that’s hard to beat. For those reasons, LSU was the job that received the second-most first-place votes, which ultimately made the difference in voting between the No. 5 and No. 6 job.

7. Clemson

Points: 129
Total votes: 46
First-place votes: 5

It isn’t an exaggeration to say Dabo Swinney made Clemson into one of the best jobs in America. He did it first by winning, but he also did it by convincing Clemson’s administration that running Clemson more like one of the SEC’s best programs would pay huge dividends for the school and for the rest of the athletic department. What did he say to convince his bosses?

“You can’t win the Kentucky Derby on a donkey.”

Swinney said this when Saban was first starting to build his army of analysts at the start of the last decade. Swinney had a fairly bare-bones support staff, and he knew that if Clemson ever hoped to compete for national titles, it would need to be able to beat Alabama. So he worked to make Clemson’s infrastructure closer to Alabama’s. The results proved Swinney correct, and now he doesn’t have to fight nearly as hard.

“Incredible institutional support,” one rival ACC staffer said.

That isn’t to say that Swinney didn’t already have some great clay from which to mold. Clemson’s fan base is much more like an SEC group than an ACC one. The atmosphere in Death Valley is electric. As for recruiting territory, those who never have driven from Atlanta to Clemson probably have no idea how close it is. (Two hours from Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport to Clemson if it isn’t rush hour; much quicker from Gwinnett or Cobb County.) Charlotte, a fast-growing wellspring of talent, also is an easy drive. Plus, after losing Alshon Jeffery, Stephon Gilmore, Marcus Lattimore and Jadeveon Clowney to South Carolina, Clemson has completely locked down its home state for nearly 10 years. Swinney turned the donkey into a thoroughbred.

“Clemson is absolutely a top-five job,” one SEC staffer argued, “and there is an argument for it being No. 1.”
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Clemson institutional support is incredible.......BOT and AD dept need to read and hear that comment
 
If Miami is truly #13 on the list, that is not middle of the road with what 130 Division I teams? Do you have a link to the article? I couldn't find anything when I googled it.
 
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The BOT at Miami needs to realize you need to spend money to make $$$ they seem to just be happy with average ACC payout
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Problem is that history shows that Miami football, even when times are good barely breaks even at best. Our fanbase keeps viewing this program as some golden goose, when in reality, spending like Alabama would only hurt the University as a whole, because that money isn't coming back.

If this fanbase wants the school to spend, this fanbase needs to spend money on said program. Buy tickets, buy merch. Even when times are good, our fanbase doesn't spend like other places. Don't expect champagne, when you won't put in for a sixer of Miller High Life.
 
Canedude08 said:
Problem is that history shows that Miami football, even when times are good barely breaks even at best. Our fanbase keeps viewing this program as some golden goose, when in reality, spending like Alabama would only hurt the University as a whole, because that money isn't coming back.

If this fanbase wants the school to spend, this fanbase needs to spend money on said program. Buy tickets, buy merch. Even when times are good, our fanbase doesn't spend like other places. Don't expect champagne, when you won't put in for a sixer of Miller High Life.
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The football team does not break even. It generates upwards of 20M+ in positive margin. That’s conservative.
 
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TemplarCane said:
Miami:

PROS:​
Access to top talent​
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CONS:​
Administration not interested in winning national or conference championships.​
Tradition of winning at a high level has faded from recent memory.​
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Cons:

Perpetually under ehe ncA microscope while...nevermind
 
BigCaneAl said:
The football team does not break even. It generates upwards of 20M+ in positive margin. That’s conservative.
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You realize how little that is? Especially when football is responsible for supporting the rest of the athletic department. We have one of the smallest athletic departments in P5, and that 20 million is mostly gone before anyone notices. Go look at the figures reported to the Department of Education, it's enlightening. 20 million is chump change compared to what the programs our fans want to beat are bringing in. Never mind the fact that your 20 million margin, even when times are great isn't going to grow significantly beyond that. Yes, making the CFP would be nice, but that's going to take an infusion of cash, cash that our fanbase won't provide and barring some big name choosing to come here(Which is unlikely) our donor pool won't lay it out either. It's time to admit the obvious: Miami can and should be a well managed athletic department, but until our fanbase and donors start pouring money into the program(Which isn't happening, the donor pool isn't nearly deep enough), we need to understand that there's a ceiling on what the program can be.
 
Canedude08 said:
You realize how little that is? Especially when football is responsible for supporting the rest of the athletic department. We have one of the smallest athletic departments in P5, and that 20 million is mostly gone before anyone notices. Go look at the figures reported to the Department of Education, it's enlightening. 20 million is chump change compared to what the programs our fans want to beat are bringing in. Never mind the fact that your 20 million margin, even when times are great isn't going to grow significantly beyond that. Yes, making the CFP would be nice, but that's going to take an infusion of cash, cash that our fanbase won't provide and barring some big name choosing to come here(Which is unlikely) our donor pool won't lay it out either. It's time to admit the obvious: Miami can and should be a well managed athletic department, but until our fanbase and donors start pouring money into the program(Which isn't happening, the donor pool isn't nearly deep enough), we need to understand that there's a ceiling on what the program can be.
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You said it barely breaks even. That is incorrect. It’s more than 20M, but I’m not going to give you an exact number. It’s more than enough to allocate additional resources. The school is doing well.
 
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Canedude08 said:
Problem is that history shows that Miami football, even when times are good barely breaks even at best. Our fanbase keeps viewing this program as some golden goose, when in reality, spending like Alabama would only hurt the University as a whole, because that money isn't coming back.

If this fanbase wants the school to spend, this fanbase needs to spend money on said program. Buy tickets, buy merch. Even when times are good, our fanbase doesn't spend like other places. Don't expect champagne, when you won't put in for a sixer of Miller High Life.
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The fan base will spend money when we have a competent team. No1 is going to waste a dollar on the current product
 
M3N said:
The fan base will spend money when we have a competent team. No1 is going to waste a dollar on the current product
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The last 40 years of Miami football indicates otherwise. Even when Miami had arguably the best team in the history of the sport(2001) coming off a year in which Miami should have won a title, fans found ways to not show up, despite having a **** good home schedule. Keep in mind, even during the Decade of Dominance, there were tons and I mean tons of games in which you can look at the film and see that the beloved OB was half empty. People remember the 89 Notre Dame game, but they sure as **** don't remember the other home games that year where the stadium was half full AT BEST. The attendance numbers are a joke, when compared to every other school with the kind of run Miami has had.

The decades of Miami fans not showing up to bowl games, even MAJOR ones is a big time issue. I was at the 2002 Rose Bowl, Miami was outnumbered something fierce. Same thing in Tempe the next year, another game I was at. Does this excuse the school for being halfassed in regards to managing the athletic department? **** no, a lot of people should be ashamed of themselves for the things they allowed to happen to the department. That said, Miami won't spend like Bama, because it's obvious and there's historical precedent that spending like that and succeeding will just lead to years of red ink. The Miami athletic department is and most likely will always be managed within a budget, and it's on a forward thinking AD and staff to get the most out of said budget by making rational, forward thinking hires and decisions.
 
Canedude08 said:
The last 40 years of Miami football indicates otherwise. Even when Miami had arguably the best team in the history of the sport(2001) coming off a year in which Miami should have won a title, fans found ways to not show up, despite having a **** good home schedule. Keep in mind, even during the Decade of Dominance, there were tons and I mean tons of games in which you can look at the film and see that the beloved OB was half empty. People remember the 89 Notre Dame game, but they sure as **** don't remember the other home games that year where the stadium was half full AT BEST. The attendance numbers are a joke, when compared to every other school with the kind of run Miami has had.

The decades of Miami fans not showing up to bowl games, even MAJOR ones is a big time issue. I was at the 2002 Rose Bowl, Miami was outnumbered something fierce. Same thing in Tempe the next year, another game I was at. Does this excuse the school for being halfassed in regards to managing the athletic department? **** no, a lot of people should be ashamed of themselves for the things they allowed to happen to the department. That said, Miami won't spend like Bama, because it's obvious and there's historical precedent that spending like that and succeeding will just lead to years of red ink. The Miami athletic department is and most likely will always be managed within a budget, and it's on a forward thinking AD and staff to get the most out of said budget by making rational, forward thinking hires and decisions.
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First, Miami hasn’t won **** in 20+ years. So your “historical precedent” is from decades ago, without considering at all how much Miami (the town) has grown during that period.

In the late 80’s to 2000’s, those of us who witnessed a great Miami team for the first time were kids.

Now we’re adults, with money to spend. Our parents weren’t going to invest in the Canes because they didn’t grow up with a winning product. We did.
 
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