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matty1

matty1

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Does any successful teams run an offense with the tight line splits that Miami runs?.
 
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matty1 said:
Does any successful teams run an offense with the tight line splits that Miami runs?.
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It’s not just the tight splits , it’s the VERY predictable play calls and zero creativity to the points you can tell teams know the play in pre snap. I see it every week with lb’s, S’s and db. Yesterday Bauman was in the slot and the db knew it was a screen to 10. He started creeping down then shot downhill at snap. This is third grade level offensive schematics . Pathetic.
 
There’s a time to do it and a time to spread out. I’m not certain if anyone runs it 100% of the time. I’m sure there are some teams who do. I commented last night during the GT game how rudimentary our offense looks. Every weekend I see teams running what looks like dozens of different formations, shifts, motions, and personnel groups with wrinkles off those. It’s almost as if they are allowed to practice and install new stuff every week. We can’t even get through a series without a motion or other pre snap penalty.
 
Cribby said:
It’s not just the tight splits , it’s the VERY predictable play calls and zero creativity to the points you can tell teams know the play in pre snap. I see it every week with lb’s, S’s and db. Yesterday Bauman was in the slot and the db knew it was a screen to 10. He started creeping down then shot downhill at snap. This is third grade level offensive schematics . Pathetic.
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Is the schematics on the OC or the OL coach?
 
The tight splits are the reason we don’t have an explosive run and screen game. There’s no gaping holes for the running backs to run through and in the screen game the offensive lineman have too much ground to cover to get to the next level.
 
Cane4L said:
The tight splits are the reason we don’t have an explosive run and screen game. There’s no gaping holes for the running backs to run through and in the screen game the offensive lineman have too much ground to cover to get to the next level.
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There was one run in particular yesterday where I think it was Lyle, tried to run between two linemen but that “hole” wasn’t big enough for him to fit and he went down by running into the OL.
 
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Memnon said:
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I was asking in some other thread is there any offense that even runs like our offense, Air Raid route trees with condensed bunch stuff and more RPO than Play Action. I asked GPT they said Peat LSU and Marcus Arroyo Oregon.

Rams condensed bro NFL offense is way more complicated than what we are running and probably too expensive to install in college.
 
I posted this in the game day thread, but it’s infuriating to watch us invite the ENTIRE DEFENSE into the box when we need a yard.

It’s like we’re trying to prove something. Or dumb enough to think it’ll still work.

I’m starting to think we were successful early season because teams naturally tend to plan for all manner of variety and options. They know the possibilities, so they guard against them.

Then teams realize we’re just surface level. We don’t evolve, so they believe what we telegraph. They adjust, we do the same things, and you end up losing 2 of the last 3.

In other words, “November” is happening. Again.
 
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careful OP .....there are threads and posts (see anywhere below in 3,2,1) in here by the board appointed experts detailing how condensed sets are advantageous, preferred, elite and efficient.....you might incite a riot
 
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MiamiVice7 said:
I posted this in the game day thread, but it’s infuriating to watch us invite the ENTIRE DEFENSE into the box when we need a yard.

It’s like we’re trying to prove something. Or dumb enough to think it’ll still work.

I’m starting to think we were successful early season because teams naturally tend to plan for all manner variety and options. They know the possibilities, so they guard against them.

Then teams realize we’re just surface level. We don’t evolve, so they believe what we telegraph. They adjust, we do the same things, and you end up losing 2 of the last 3.

In other words, “November” is happening. Agains.
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I keep waiting for us to utterly surprise someone on 4th and 1 with a play action pass, but it never happens.
 
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PennsylvaniaCane said:
There’s a time to do it and a time to spread out. I’m not certain if anyone runs it 100% of the time. I’m sure there are some teams who do. I commented last night during the GT game how rudimentary our offense looks. Every weekend I see teams running what looks like dozens of different formations, shifts, motions, and personnel groups with wrinkles off those. It’s almost as if they are allowed to practice and install new stuff every week. We can’t even get through a series without a motion or other pre snap penalty.
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What’s interesting is that most air raid systems only have a handful of running plays. But they are able to run them out of dozens of formations and that keeps the defenses honest because the offense can just as easily pass out of all those different alignments.

We can run A gap all we want, but run out of out spread formations and space out your lineman a little.

If you want to run condensed for a series, start with that, but you better lead with passes out of that formation if you want the defense to play it honest.

Instead we telegraph what we do and stick to it.
 
Glow said:
I was asking in some other thread is there any offense that even runs like our offense, Air Raid route trees with condensed bunch stuff and more RPO than Play Action. I asked GPT they said Peat LSU and Marcus Arroyo Oregon.

Rams condensed bro NFL offense is way more complicated than what we are running and probably too expensive to install in college.
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i dont know if you saw my post yesterday but i stated we are the only team with air raid principles i know that dont play with spacing. lol

Even in the pass game...if u watch the int for beck in the ot...AINT sh*t really was open because smu played bracket on the outside wrs.....tand the read was Toney the whole way anyway but he got covered. that play was dead on arrival the best beck could of done was heave it through the uprights really
 
Cane4L said:
The tight splits are the reason we don’t have an explosive run and screen game. There’s no gaping holes for the running backs to run through and in the screen game the offensive lineman have too much ground to cover to get to the next level.
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Splits don't create holes, leverage points, play calling and talent do that. Splits DO make an impact and its something you can play with. For example, if the defense are playing landmark football (i.e., the Quick end plays a 7tech position and the NT plays a 1 Tech position) the boundary tackle should widen his splits and it'll push the Quick out even further and the tackle only has to wall off, while the guard can have a free release to the Will linebacker (in an zone scheme) and if you have a pulling backside blocker (TE, OG, etc) you'll have a fee blocker going up the field.

Typically, splits are 3 feet, I'm a fan or 2 foot splits between OC and OGs with 3.5 split between OTs and OG.

The benefit of tighter splits is, when it comes to pass pro is just turn into a big jumble of people if there are blitzes or stunt/twists. while int he run game, similar thing can happen and a small crease can turn into 12 yard burst or edges crash down inside more often and you hope the ball carrier can break contain and off to the races. The Cons are the same, a big can of smashes buttholes with nothing to work with and playing in a phone booth.

I'm a fan of space, that's why you're seeing a movement towards smaller tailbacks and those with more wiggle.

I agree they are tight, but its not the SOLE problem.
 
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