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k9cane said:
I was concerned about Richt's age and the fact that he's a guy...who, well....thinks 'rings collect dust'. I wanted this to work but I had my concerns

Im actually more excited by Diaz and the energy what he's brought to the table early on
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For sure. I knew Richt was going to suck here. I knew without bags he couldn't recruit. I knew losing atleast 2 games to less talented opponents each year would kill us in the Coastal. 2 bad losses in the SEC is ok, but 2 in the Coastal will drop you deep in the AP rankings. I knew his loyalty to his staff and his hiring of yesman would be devastating here. When I heard he was bringing Jorn with him. I knew we were fvcked. That said I didn't expect to have a season or recruiting class like last year lol.

I am pumped for Manny. I think he was a good hire and I am way more excited about him than Golden, Mork, Clappy, and Radio.
 
craval85 said:
Just curious..as to why you don't you think he'll be able to win NC's @ MIA ?
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It is because I see him as more of a CEO type coach like Dabo (Miami is not going to hire a staff like Dabo has, which is what Manny would need to be truly elite). Instead of an offensive minded coach like Lincoln Riley or a defensive minded coach like Kirby. Mannys defense was only statistically elite this year because we played in the coastal and played an easy cross division team this year. If we played Clemson instead of BC or if FSU was good this year we would not have finished as high. And if we were in a pass heavy conf like the Pac or Big 12. Or in a run heavy conf like the B1G we would have not even came close to top 5 defenses. We also would have gotten absolutely mauled in the SEC.

I think Manny is a smart guy who will take advantage of Miamis resources to be a consistent Coastal Champion, but I don't think he is an elite enough coach to take us to the next level and have us winning the ACC and making the playoffs. I hope I am wrong, but what I see happening is us becoming a Whisky type team. We will frequently win the coastal and end up with top 15 recruiting classes. With that we will end up ranked in the AP every year and get an even bigger talent gap between us and the rest of the coastal teams. This will make the job a lot more desirable for potential future coaches. So I see Manny being able to get us ready for the next level, but I don't see him as the guy who will take us there.
 
OriginalGatorHater said:
It is because I see him as more of a CEO type coach like Dabo (Miami is not going to hire a staff like Dabo has, which is what Manny would need to be truly elite). Instead of an offensive minded coach like Lincoln Riley or a defensive minded coach like Kirby. Mannys defense was only statistically elite this year because we played in the coastal and played an easy cross division team this year. If we played Clemson instead of BC or if FSU was good this year we would not have finished as high. And if we were in a pass heavy conf like the Pac or Big 12. Or in a run heavy conf like the B1G we would have not even came close to top 5 defenses. We also would have gotten absolutely mauled in the SEC.

I think Manny is a smart guy who will take advantage of Miamis resources to be a consistent Coastal Champion, but I don't think he is an elite enough coach to take us to the next level and have us winning the ACC and making the playoffs. I hope I am wrong, but what I see happening is us becoming a Whisky type team. We will frequently win the coastal and end up with top 15 recruiting classes. With that we will end up ranked in the AP every year and get an even bigger talent gap between us and the rest of the coastal teams. This will make the job a lot more desirable for potential future coaches. So I see Manny being able to get us ready for the next level, but I don't see him as the guy who will take us there.
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What? This makes no sense.
 
bornagaincane said:
What? This makes no sense.
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I don't think Manny is an elite DC or an elite HC. He is a smart guy that can be a CEO of the program, but you need a team that is willing to drop tons of money on all your coaches(like Clemson to pull that off). We opened up the pocketbook for Enos, but everyone else is a budget hire.

I think Manny is smart enough to use our advantages and location to win the coastal often like Whisky does, but I don't see him being able to dethrone Clemson. I think he can stack up enough talent to make the Miami HC job desirable again and in 5 years or so we can Hire a truly elite coach that can take a top 15 talent wise team and get us to that next level.
 
OriginalGatorHater said:
For sure. I knew Richt was going to suck here. I knew without bags he couldn't recruit. I knew losing atleast 2 games to less talented opponents each year would kill us in the Coastal. 2 bad losses in the SEC is ok, but 2 in the Coastal will drop you deep in the AP rankings. I knew his loyalty to his staff and his hiring of yesman would be devastating here. When I heard he was bringing Jorn with him. I knew we were fvcked. That said I didn't expect to have a season or recruiting class like last year lol.

I am pumped for Manny. I think he was a good hire and I am way more excited about him than Golden, Mork, Clappy, and Radio.
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the other big factor was - and this actually shocked me a bit - was just how quickly the game passed him by, how antiquated his offense was out-dated.

The guy was the coaching version of Weekend at Bernie's by the end
 
k9cane said:
the other big factor was - and this actually shocked me a bit - was just how quickly the game passed him by, how antiquated his offense was out-dated.

The guy was the coaching version of Weekend at Bernie's by the end
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LMAO! Very true. I didn't expect that at all. I was not happy with him calling plays, but I didn't expect the 4 play playbook either. I wanted us to hire an elite OC and I didn't think Richt could be elite, but I didn't expect him to be the worst OC in CFB either. I also didn't expect to have the worst QB coach in CFB either. Or trot out the worst QB in CFB history since he was the "QB whisperer"
 
YUMU said:
What two weeks it has been! The true definition of the roller coaster of emotions .. from hopeless to hope.. from sadness to light.. from we “fu#&#ed” to we “fu#$#ing”

It is to early to predict anything and it is to early to “we back”... but danm!! It feels great again, the energy around th program is the right one, there is excitement, swag, reality, rationality,

It has not feel like that in 15 years!

Rationality tells me this time is for real! We are making the right moves, hiring the right people and perhaps we finally have the total support of the school.

The two weeks of the U PHOENIX

FROM

LSU
4 game losing streak
Offense - the nightmare - QB mismanagement - sense of hopelessness
Nepotism and failure to address issues
Toxicity takes over
Manolo leaves - amateur move to promote Banda/Patke to DC - umbelivaible
JT leaves - Jarren to transfer
Di-commitments begin
Wisconsin humiliation
Everyone Di-Commited
Worst recruiting class in recent memory
We reached **** for good
Oblivion

TO

Coach retires - leaving 3/4 years 16mills on the table- a miracle now days - whateve the story is- show class - comend him for that
Oblivion again for a couple of hours
Manolo gets the job
Little back door opens in the state of ****
The entire incompetent O coaching staff is shown the door
Savagery and balls start to making an entrance
Well there is little light
Toxicity leaves and good vibes takes over
It is exciting
Great hires are made .. yes love the DC, yes love the recruiting potential of he RB coach and YES LOVE the OC hire
Took the OC from Bama/UGA.. **** yes..feels great ..tired of being in the losing side of recruiting against those two
Most jump on Manolo’s train
Suddenly everyone in the country wants to transfer here
We get great players via transfer
JT maybe back
AH!!! there is a great energy
From we can’t sign a QB to all great QBs showing interest
We found the ligh and we are on the way there

To be continued.....

But we are 100% back from the death
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Agree for the most part, but we haven't felt like this in 15 years?? How about when we won the biggest game of the college regular season to that point in '17 and were 10-0 and ranked #2 in the CFP? I wasn't on this site then, but I'm guessing everyone was feeling as good about themselves and the state of the program as I was walking out of Hard Rock that night.
 
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OriginalGatorHater said:
LMAO! Very true. I didn't expect that at all. I was not happy with him calling plays, but I didn't expect the 4 play playbook either. I wanted us to hire an elite OC and I didn't think Richt could be elite, but I didn't expect him to be the worst OC in CFB either. I also didn't expect to have the worst QB coach in CFB either. Or trot out the worst QB in CFB history since he was the "QB whisperer"
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once he hired his son to coach QB's, he didn't stand a chance.

And that offense was so far behind the times it was embarrassing - and he didn't even recognize it.
 
k9cane said:
once he hired his son to coach QB's, he didn't stand a chance.

And that offense was so far behind the times it was embarrassing - and he didn't even recognize it.
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"offense" ? is that what it was called ?
 
k9cane said:
once he hired his son to coach QB's, he didn't stand a chance.

And that offense was so far behind the times it was embarrassing - and he didn't even recognize it.
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Agreed. THat was the kill shot. Knute Rockne would have called that offense dated.
 
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OriginalGatorHater said:
I don't think Manny is an elite DC or an elite HC. He is a smart guy that can be a CEO of the program, but you need a team that is willing to drop tons of money on all your coaches(like Clemson to pull that off). We opened up the pocketbook for Enos, but everyone else is a budget hire.

I think Manny is smart enough to use our advantages and location to win the coastal often like Whisky does, but I don't see him being able to dethrone Clemson. I think he can stack up enough talent to make the Miami HC job desirable again and in 5 years or so we can Hire a truly elite coach that can take a top 15 talent wise team and get us to that next level.
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I don't like putting a ceiling on a HC before he's even coached a game.

We'll see. He's made a lot of good moves so far.
 
OriginalGatorHater said:
It is because I see him as more of a CEO type coach like Dabo (Miami is not going to hire a staff like Dabo has, which is what Manny would need to be truly elite). Instead of an offensive minded coach like Lincoln Riley or a defensive minded coach like Kirby. Mannys defense was only statistically elite this year because we played in the coastal and played an easy cross division team this year. If we played Clemson instead of BC or if FSU was good this year we would not have finished as high. And if we were in a pass heavy conf like the Pac or Big 12. Or in a run heavy conf like the B1G we would have not even came close to top 5 defenses. We also would have gotten absolutely mauled in the SEC.

I think Manny is a smart guy who will take advantage of Miamis resources to be a consistent Coastal Champion, but I don't think he is an elite enough coach to take us to the next level and have us winning the ACC and making the playoffs. I hope I am wrong, but what I see happening is us becoming a Whisky type team. We will frequently win the coastal and end up with top 15 recruiting classes. With that we will end up ranked in the AP every year and get an even bigger talent gap between us and the rest of the coastal teams. This will make the job a lot more desirable for potential future coaches. So I see Manny being able to get us ready for the next level, but I don't see him as the guy who will take us there.
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I think you make some valid pts, and though we could definitely get into a debate about whether Manny is an elite defensive mind, or whether his defenses are statistically overrated: I think it's important to 1st put things in proper perspective and context, before we attempt to make an accurate assessment about his coaching abilities. In my opinion it is difficult to properly gauge just how good Manny's defenses were these past 3 yrs, because his unit had to routinely play behind not only one of the worst offenses in the conference/country, but also one of the worst in program history. Also, though I still believe you need Defense to win championships, we have to keep in mind that we are no longer living in the era where defenses routinely dominate opponents: by & large the game now is predicated mostly around prolific/explosive offense. A perfect example of this, is this past yr the highest paid d-coordinator in the game Dave Aranda, surrendered 70+ pts in a loss to Jimbo and A&M. Even the greatest defensive coach of all time, has had to concede this reality, by revising & adjusting his defensive & offensive philosophies since his initial season @ AL.

My last pt is based on what you said about "Manny having to be elite in order to win a championship @ MIA"- I then would just like to ask you, out of the coaches who were able to win a ring @ MIA, in your opinion how many of them were elite? I believe the only elite coach we've ever truly had was JJ, and if I had to choose I would say that Manny is probably more similar to him, than anyone else.
 
OldhamA said:
I don't like putting a ceiling on a HC before he's even coached a game.

We'll see. He's made a lot of good moves so far.
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I don't like to either, but that is just how I see it. I would love to be proven wrong and win a natty with Manny. I just don't see it.
 
craval85 said:
I think you make some valid pts, and though we could definitely get into a debate about whether Manny is an elite defensive mind, or whether his defenses are statistically overrated: I think it's important to 1st put things in proper perspective and context, before we attempt to make an accurate assessment about his coaching abilities. In my opinion it is difficult to properly gauge just how good Manny's defenses were these past 3 yrs, because his unit had to routinely play behind not only one of the worst offenses in the conference/country, but also one of the worst in program history. Also, though I still believe you need Defense to win championships, we have to keep in mind that we are no longer living in the era where defenses routinely dominate opponents: by & large the game now is predicated mostly around prolific/explosive offense. A perfect example of this, is this past yr the highest paid d-coordinator in the game Dave Aranda, surrendered 70+ pts in a loss to Jimbo and A&M. Even the greatest defensive coach of all time, has had to concede this reality, by revising & adjusting his defensive & offensive philosophies since his initial season @ AL.

My last pt is based on what you said about "Manny having to be elite in order to win a championship @ MIA"- I then would just like to ask you, out of the coaches who were able to win a ring @ MIA, in your opinion how many of them were elite? I believe the only elite coach we've ever truly had was JJ, and if I had to choose I would say that Manny is probably more similar to him, than anyone else.
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I completely agree about the offense making it hard on the defense debate and in todays game the offense has the advantage, but I just don't see his defense as the 2nd best in the nation. I think there are a few B1G and SEC teams with better defenses than us and I think Clemson has a better D. I do like that Manny has adjusted his defense over the years though. That is a good sign because Golden and Richt were unable to make adjustments.

This is where I disagree. I think Schnelly and JJ were elite. Schnelly may not be an Xs and Os guru, but he was an elite recruiter and evaluator. The rest of the coaches Erikson continue to ride what they built and Coker won with Butchs guys. We are so far removed from those years and now with the recruiting services doing well we have much more competition. The days of all the best south Florida guys coming to Miami no matter what are over. Now we need to completely rebuild this and we need a real elite coach to win a natty here.

Remember what everyone was saying about Richt. Well if he can win that many games at UGA then he could win an NC at Miami. We all saw how that turned out. In the 80s and 90s we didn't need elite coaching, but we do in this era. I think Manny will build the program up, but I don't see him winning an nc.
 
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