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Put that in the context of playing in the All-Carolina Conference. We've all seen it, we all know it.

****, just watching Clemson's receivers constantly get away with pushing off the DB's, you know there's got to be some bias there simply in NOT ever making it an emphasis point. Yeah, they are coached well and they do a great job of being subtle and pushing off the "right" way to get away with it, but it's still OPI, it's still incredibly obvious on replay, and it almost NEVER gets called on them.

All that said, I'm done complaining about the refs when we're 6-6 or 7-5. We need to get relevant again before we're even allowed to be bothered by it. Still, this stuff fascinates me, and it's right there for the truly perceptive to see, but you can only ever "feel" it, you can never really "prove" it.
 
g8rh8rMD said:
Put that in the context of playing in the All-Carolina Conference. We've all seen it, we all know it.

****, just watching Clemson's receivers constantly get away with pushing off the DB's, you know there's got to be some bias there simply in NOT ever making it an emphasis point. Yeah, they are coached well and they do a great job of being subtle and pushing off the "right" way to get away with it, but it's still OPI, it's still incredibly obvious on replay, and it almost NEVER gets called on them.

All that said, I'm done complaining about the refs when we're 6-6 or 7-5. We need to get relevant again before we're even allowed to be bothered by it. Still, this stuff fascinates me, and it's right there for the truly perceptive to see, but you can only ever "feel" it, you can never really "prove" it.
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Yes, you can:
http://www.sloansportsconference.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/SSAC15-RP-Poster-Paper-Referee-Analytics.pdf
 
g8rh8rMD said:
Put that in the context of playing in the All-Carolina Conference. We've all seen it, we all know it.

****, just watching Clemson's receivers constantly get away with pushing off the DB's, you know there's got to be some bias there simply in NOT ever making it an emphasis point. Yeah, they are coached well and they do a great job of being subtle and pushing off the "right" way to get away with it, but it's still OPI, it's still incredibly obvious on replay, and it almost NEVER gets called on them.

All that said, I'm done complaining about the refs when we're 6-6 or 7-5. We need to get relevant again before we're even allowed to be bothered by it. Still, this stuff fascinates me, and it's right there for the truly perceptive to see, but you can only ever "feel" it, you can never really "prove" it.
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The refs called fair games for us after we went down 28-0 to VT. We saw darn good officiating after that, for the most part. No, not every hold was called, but we also got away with some ourselves. Up to that point, however, we were getting the same BS treatment we usually get. We were our own worst enemy most of the year, and the officials didn't have to do crap to hurt us. In fact, it's like they let us play to help us get bowl eligible or something.
 
Home Slice said:
My **** phone won't let me open the file. So, how do we fare with refs?
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"One explanation for this would be ACC officials protecting traditionally strong football programs while penalizing the more recently successful more. Supporting this notion, there is evidence of ACC officiating favoritism towards teams that have been in the league longest (founded in 1953) and more frequently flagging teams that are newer to the conference: Georgia Tech (1978), Florida State (1991), University of Miami (2004), Virginia Tech (2004), and Boston College (2005)."


"Our findings support the inference that referees from the ACC in particular officiate in-conference games differently than referees in other major conference alliances. Table 1 shows an analysis of the Noll-Scully measure of parity [42], with the ACC showing the greatest parity in five of the eight sample years. Particularly given the betting line bias of the ACC in- conference, there is reason to believe that the ACC handicaps its stronger teams despite the financial incentives to do the opposite. Why does the ACC engage in this behavior and have these biases among officials? One possible explanation is the reputation of the ACC as a basketball conference with its four founding member North Carolina institutions (Duke, UNC, Wake Forest, and NC State) yielding the most political influence; internal ACC power may be threatened by non-founding schools with strong football that drive much of its revenue. The demise of the Big East, a league better known for their powerful basketball programs more so than their football programs, serves as a cautionary tale."
 
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The game I remember the most was the OB game that was Sapp's last game. First series we connected on a long TD pass that Nebraska obviously could not cover. After that the Nebraska CB's were tackling our wide receivers. I got everyone around me to notice and it became more and more obvious as more people paid attention. I could not wait to see the replay but was disappointed as the camera angles were to close to see the whole field so it appeared that nothing was wrong. That game gave Osborne his NC and I will always believe the entire game was fixed by all involved, not just the officials.
 
JustWin said:
The ball spot needs to be taken out of the on field referees hands. It’s felt like they’ve stolen hundreds of yards in yard and a half increments all year.
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It ****es me off to see a runner go down and the zebra in charge of spotting the ball inevitably moves it back about half a yard or more 9 out of 10 times. I’m not talking about when the player tries to move the ball forward. The zebras seem to have a fascination with doing this. Put a **** chip in the ball so you know exactly where to spot it or whether the ball crossed the goal line, or whether the ball is between the goal posts on a FG or Xpt, etc. We’ve had the tech to do this.
 
It really wouldnt be that hard to come up with a highly accurate system to track the position of the ball. Im an Electrical/Computer Engineer so I know a hardware solution would not be very difficult but Ive spent a good amount of time now working in video analytics and I am very confident with current video analytic technology I could track the ball and the point it is at when the runner goes down with a lot more accuracy than the zebras. Nothing like seeing one of those ***** take a clear 2nd or 3rd and 1 then walk it up to a first down.
 
CaneFan79 said:
Yes, you can:
http://www.sloansportsconference.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/SSAC15-RP-Poster-Paper-Referee-Analytics.pdf
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yes, I’ve read this report before and I agree with you, the evidence is both convincing and damning, once aggregated over a substantial sample size. When it comes to one play or one game, however, it becomes less clear and comes across as the sour grapes of a loser. Some substantial exceptions apply, like 2002 against OSU, and the NO-LAR non-PI call in last year’s playoffs.
 
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CaneFan79 said:
"One explanation for this would be ACC officials protecting traditionally strong football programs while penalizing the more recently successful more. Supporting this notion, there is evidence of ACC officiating favoritism towards teams that have been in the league longest (founded in 1953) and more frequently flagging teams that are newer to the conference: Georgia Tech (1978), Florida State (1991), University of Miami (2004), Virginia Tech (2004), and Boston College (2005)."


"Our findings support the inference that referees from the ACC in particular officiate in-conference games differently than referees in other major conference alliances. Table 1 shows an analysis of the Noll-Scully measure of parity [42], with the ACC showing the greatest parity in five of the eight sample years. Particularly given the betting line bias of the ACC in- conference, there is reason to believe that the ACC handicaps its stronger teams despite the financial incentives to do the opposite. Why does the ACC engage in this behavior and have these biases among officials? One possible explanation is the reputation of the ACC as a basketball conference with its four founding member North Carolina institutions (Duke, UNC, Wake Forest, and NC State) yielding the most political influence; internal ACC power may be threatened by non-founding schools with strong football that drive much of its revenue. The demise of the Big East, a league better known for their powerful basketball programs more so than their football programs, serves as a cautionary tale."
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Wow. Thanks!
 
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