The More Things Change, The More They Stay The Same

Rellyrell

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Most of you will see this thread tomorrow morning, either being on the East Coast or simply drinking your pains away...so I apologize for this long post, in advance.

I was able to re-watch this “game”, and there were a lot of alarming trends that have mimicked the last 2 coaching regimes, in particular.

If we’re being honest, this team is who we thought it was. There was a split among this board about hiring Richt. Being honest for a moment, a colleague and Texas alum/booster told me back in 2015 after the news came of the hiring that Richt was a good, well respected coach, but that we would be complaining about his abilities to coach on field. He went on to say, rumors are he likes things his way, only.

The nepotistic hire of his son as the QB coach was alarming. You know who also made a nepostic hire that was detrimental to our team? Golden. We ridiculed Golden for not firing his former teammate and long time friend D’Onofrio, as our def gave up opportunity after opportunity. Now? We see our QB play bleed opportunity after opportunity w **** poor development and fundamentals. That comes under the tutelage of Jon.

We criticized both Shannon and Golden, hiring guys w little to no experience, along w questionable journeymen experience. On our staff, we have J Richt, Patke, Simpson, Rumph, Banda, and Harley. We have Searles, and Diaz. The aforementioned group of assistants would be consider quality control or Grad staff members on any other staff. With the latter two, both have shaky back grounds as position coaches and coordinators.

With Golden, we clamoured for our offense to make a 1st or the def to get off the field or stop making bone headed plays. Are we not still echoing these same sentiments, today?

We begged for the long losing streaks to stop; now, we’ve had back to back seasons w 4 game skids.

The embarrassment on National TV against marquee opponents, an opportunity to shut up the nay-sayers....yet, here we are in the Richt era still getting embarrassed on National TV, proving the nay-sayers, correct.

Folks, I love this school; it’s the first team outside of Chicago I rooted for, the 1st team that introduced me to college football. I’ve been rocking w Miami for 31 yrs of my life. My home girl just got accepted to Miami’s Law School and we celebrated like no other. Even though I never attended as a student, I’ve been on campus multiple times to visit frat, to tour w my little relative as she was contemplating attending Miami, and each time it felt like home.

When I saw today’s game, it reminded me that my 1st love hasn’t changed in 14 yrs. Hiring Richt was a great PR move, it’s yielded on campus divideds, but it was still safe. That’s the problem; The U is not safe. The U is about swag. Swag is not just about winning, as Richt says. Swag is punching a team in its mouth and looking at the refs like I dare u to hit me w a flag. Swag is having a good time playing the game you love. Swag is about instilling fear the moment that coin is flipped. Swag is making adjustments, rallying the team EVEN when ur up.

Our Swag has been lost. We have a coach who rather be safe, than take risk. A coach who rather be comfortable than uncomfortable to make the hard decisions. There was no passion from the staff; just a bunch of bewildered looks, and that emulated through our players.

Talent has been wasted for a while here. Opportunities flushed down the toilet. The boogie men are not the handlers or bags that’s ruining this program; it’s the cavalier approach w recruiting and when faced with on field adversities that’s now become our real nemesis.

Today wasn’t about 1 game. 1 game I can handle...no, it’s much deeper than 1 game. It’s a culture that’s been engrained here and now being perpetuated by the new staff. Lack of discipline, unimaginative play calling on both sides, and no unity have been an on going theme here. Sure, we’ll blow out The Savannah States and FIU’s of the world, and that'll make a couple of fans happy. Richt may even win another Coastal, and some will be happy with that...but what I’m seeing is a veteran lead team look like a team full of freshmen. U know, I saw that w UGA Richt’s last couple of years, too.

History has a funny way of repeating itself. Here’s hoping that this history will be more mid 80’s and 90’s and not mid 2000’s.
 
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Most of you will see this thread tomorrow morning, either being on the East Coast or simply drinking your pains away...so I apologize for this long post, in advance.

I was able to re-watch this “game”, and there were a lot of alarming trends that have mimicked the last 2 coaching regimes, in particular.

If we’re being honest, this team is who we thought it was. There was a split among this board about hiring Richt. Being honest for a moment, a colleague and Texas alum/booster told me back in 2015 after the news came of the hiring that Richt was a good, well respected coach, but that we would be complaining about his abilities to coach on field. He went on to say, rumors are he likes things his way, only.

The nepotistic hire of his son as the QB coach was alarming. You know who also made a nepostic hire that was detrimental to our team? Golden. We ridiculed Golden for not firing his former teammate and long time friend D’Onofrio, as our def gave up opportunity after opportunity. Now? We see our QB play bleed opportunity after opportunity w **** poor development and fundamentals. That comes under the tutelage of Jon.

We criticized both Shannon and Golden, hiring guys w little to no experience, along w questionable journeymen experience. On our staff, we have J Richt, Patke, Simpson, Rumph, Banda, and Harley. We have Searles, and Diaz. The aforementioned group of assistants would be consider quality control or Grad staff members on any other staff. With the latter two, both have shaky back grounds as position coaches and coordinators.

With Golden, we clamoured for our offense to make a 1st or the def to get off the field or stop making bone headed plays. Are we not still echoing these same sentiments, today?

We begged for the long losing streaks to stop; now, we’ve had back to back seasons w 4 game skids.

The embarrassment on National TV against marquee opponents, an opportunity to shut up the nay-sayers....yet, here we are in the Richt era still getting embarrassed on National TV, proving the nay-sayers, correct.

Folks, I love this school; it’s the first team outside of Chicago I rooted for, the 1st team that introduced me to college football. I’ve been rocking w Miami for 31 yrs of my life. My home girl just got accepted to Miami’s Law School and we celebrated like no other. Even though I never attended as a student, I’ve been on campus multiple times to visit frat, to tour w my little relative as she was contemplating attending Miami, and each time it felt like home.

When I saw today’s game, it reminded me that my 1st love hasn’t changed in 14 yrs. Hiring Richt was a great PR move, it’s yielded on campus divideds, but it was still safe. That’s the problem; The U is not safe. The U is about swag. Swag is not just about winning, as Richt says. Swag is punching a team in its mouth and looking the refs like I dare u to hit me w a flag. Swag is having a good time playing the game you love. Swag is about instilling fear the moment that coin is flipped. Swag is making adjustments, rallying the team EVEN when ur up.

Our Swag has been lost. We have a coach who rather be safe, than take risk. A coach who rather be comfortable than uncomfortable to make the hard decisions. There was no passion from the staff; just a bunch of bewildered looks, and that emulated through our players.

Talent has been wasted for a while here. Opportunities flushed down the toilet. The boogie men are not the handlers or bags that’s ruining this program; it’s the cavalier approach w recruiting and when faced with on field adversities that’s now become our real nemesis.

Today wasn’t about 1 game. 1 game I can handle...no, it’s much deeper than 1 game. It’s a culture that’s been engrained here and now being perpetuated by the new staff. Lack of discipline, unimaginative play calling on both sides, and no unity have been an on going theme here. Sure, we’ll blow out The Savannah States and FIU’s of the world, and that'll make a couple of fans happy. Richt may even win another Coastal, and some will be happy with that...but what I’m seeing is a veteran lead team look like a team full of freshmen. U know, I saw that w UGA his last couple of years too.

History has a funny way of repeating itself. Here’s hoping that this history will be more mid 80’s and 90’s and not mid 2000’s.

****, you hit the nail on the head. It echoes many of my exact feelings about the program and it's current plight
 
Echos what I've been saying on here for awhile.

Look - I know when it rains it pours, but this game to me feels like that Louisville bowl loss a few years ago where Golden had an opportunity to make systematic changes but did jack . Now CMR faces his cross-roads.

And the reality is CMR has to start making better choices if we want to be elite again. I think many people have overlooked it because for the large part he's done a better job than Randy & Golden, but these little failures added up big time on the elite stage tonight.
 
Richt coaches as if he's on cruise control and just biding his time until retirement. This is his cush job.

I don't necessarily agree with this. But we will find out one or another very quickly. Its one game, he went with a strategy going into this season that after one game is obviously not the right one. If he goes back to drawing board, plays some other qbs going forward and makes some adjustments he can fix it. He has a month of extended camp with some easy games to work things out which is good. We will see. I think he wants to win badly though. He just has to let the dogs loose!
 
Most of you will see this thread tomorrow morning, either being on the East Coast or simply drinking your pains away...so I apologize for this long post, in advance.

I was able to re-watch this “game”, and there were a lot of alarming trends that have mimicked the last 2 coaching regimes, in particular.

If we’re being honest, this team is who we thought it was. There was a split among this board about hiring Richt. Being honest for a moment, a colleague and Texas alum/booster told me back in 2015 after the news came of the hiring that Richt was a good, well respected coach, but that we would be complaining about his abilities to coach on field. He went on to say, rumors are he likes things his way, only.

The nepotistic hire of his son as the QB coach was alarming. You know who also made a nepostic hire that was detrimental to our team? Golden. We ridiculed Golden for not firing his former teammate and long time friend D’Onofrio, as our def gave up opportunity after opportunity. Now? We see our QB play bleed opportunity after opportunity w **** poor development and fundamentals. That comes under the tutelage of Jon.

We criticized both Shannon and Golden, hiring guys w little to no experience, along w questionable journeymen experience. On our staff, we have J Richt, Patke, Simpson, Rumph, Banda, and Harley. We have Searles, and Diaz. The aforementioned group of assistants would be consider quality control or Grad staff members on any other staff. With the latter two, both have shaky back grounds as position coaches and coordinators.

With Golden, we clamoured for our offense to make a 1st or the def to get off the field or stop making bone headed plays. Are we not still echoing these same sentiments, today?

We begged for the long losing streaks to stop; now, we’ve had back to back seasons w 4 game skids.

The embarrassment on National TV against marquee opponents, an opportunity to shut up the nay-sayers....yet, here we are in the Richt era still getting embarrassed on National TV, proving the nay-sayers, correct.

Folks, I love this school; it’s the first team outside of Chicago I rooted for, the 1st team that introduced me to college football. I’ve been rocking w Miami for 31 yrs of my life. My home girl just got accepted to Miami’s Law School and we celebrated like no other. Even though I never attended as a student, I’ve been on campus multiple times to visit frat, to tour w my little relative as she was contemplating attending Miami, and each time it felt like home.

When I saw today’s game, it reminded me that my 1st love hasn’t changed in 14 yrs. Hiring Richt was a great PR move, it’s yielded on campus divideds, but it was still safe. That’s the problem; The U is not safe. The U is about swag. Swag is not just about winning, as Richt says. Swag is punching a team in its mouth and looking the refs like I dare u to hit me w a flag. Swag is having a good time playing the game you love. Swag is about instilling fear the moment that coin is flipped. Swag is making adjustments, rallying the team EVEN when ur up.

Our Swag has been lost. We have a coach who rather be safe, than take risk. A coach who rather be comfortable than uncomfortable to make the hard decisions. There was no passion from the staff; just a bunch of bewildered looks, and that emulated through our players.

Talent has been wasted for a while here. Opportunities flushed down the toilet. The boogie men are not the handlers or bags that’s ruining this program; it’s the cavalier approach w recruiting and when faced with on field adversities that’s now become our real nemesis.

Today wasn’t about 1 game. 1 game I can handle...no, it’s much deeper than 1 game. It’s a culture that’s been engrained here and now being perpetuated by the new staff. Lack of discipline, unimaginative play calling on both sides, and no unity have been an on going theme here. Sure, we’ll blow out The Savannah States and FIU’s of the world, and that'll make a couple of fans happy. Richt may even win another Coastal, and some will be happy with that...but what I’m seeing is a veteran lead team look like a team full of freshmen. U know, I saw that w UGA his last couple of years too.

History has a funny way of repeating itself. Here’s hoping that this history will be more mid 80’s and 90’s and not mid 2000’s.

And then there's recruiting...
 
****, you hit the nail on the head. It echoes many of my exact feelings about the program and it's current plight

Year 3 of Richt is a bust. What I saw today was a team that wasn't well coached and not ready to play big time college football. Richt isn't going to bench Rosier, so that means we aren't winning the ACC Championship. Ceiling is ACC Coastal. Again. And god help us if we can't even win the ACC coastal even with Rosier. Year 4 we will likely have a QB who will be starting for the first time. Odds are that a first year QB isn't winning a championship. Year 5 (2020) will probably be our next window at making a run for the playoffs. That means Richt has two years to make some drastic changes, because what he's doing now isn't working. If Richt doesn't make the playoffs in year 5, I think we have to make a coaching change. To be honest, I'm tired of the good guy disciplinarians. Shannon, Golden, Richt. I want a coach who looks for any edge, who has the morals of Urban Meyer. Bring me Lane Kiffin to take on an elderly, senile Nick Saban in 2021.
 
Agree 100%.

And I knew letting Golden hire his wife as DC was a mistake.
 
Not being a *********, I went to sleep at half-time, but woke u to check the final score, so I am here with you. I disagree that Richt is "safe." He just isn't a great of a coach. To be more accurate, he is an above average coach, an above average recruiter, and an above average leader/ceo. He just isn't elite or great at anything. All coaches like things, "their way". Just so happens that "Richt's way" is just above average. Most people knew this, and know that he can only take us so far. I could defend most of his hires, but it would take too long. The glaring staff mistake is his son as Qb coach/recruiter and himself as OC. I think Richt does have "swag" or would allow his teams to have "swag", but neither he nor them are simply good enough.
 
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For a veteran coach Richt does a whole lot of rookie mistakes. Richt is only good with the off the field stuff.

When we first hired Richt I thought we would at the very least get a well coached team but other then RB and WR I'd say we are poorly coached. QB, OL, DL, LB, DB, and even special team is just horrible.
 
The next three games will be very interesting. Even with Rosier we’ll crush Savannah State, and should rout Toledo and FIU. I want to see how much playing time Perry, Weldon, and Williams get. Savannah State almost doesn’t count. Richt could start Williams and we’d still win by 50. But what if Rosier struggles against Toledo? Or FIU?
 
Good statement Rellyrell, it’s embarassing that we both completely agree. Embarassing because what we saw tonight is an embarrassment to the U, it’s students, alumni, and vocal boosters/supporters. Maybe we move Richt up to James job as AD because he seems to excel and have a passion for that line of work. If he had that for the team, he would’ve never hired his son or Searles. He would’ve brought in an OC after 2 season’s play calling and the offense not getting any better. Results don’t lie, theyre the bottom line. And right now that line is saying he’s not getting it done. Not in the great tradition of this school and program. Not for the love and passion we all have for the U and our Canes.
 
Its been a culture of failure for years.

Starts at the very top. Moving to the ACC guaranteed us shared revenue; we no longer needed to win to pay for the other sports.

Half assing everything else: the nonchalant loss of the OB; hiring Coker and Shannon, and then Golden and Richt. Cheap cheap cheap.

I believe either the program has no money, and no donors, or they purposely de-emphasize th football program by spending less than they should and can to field an elite team.

There is simply no committment to being a dominant program. This was a program that allowed Andreu Swasey to “coach” S and C for 15 years. It spent NO MONEY on its facilities or a stadium despite being a top program for two decades. It performed coaching searches merely for PR, to pretend like they were looking, and then hired the easiest cheapest guy.

Richts hire was like Diaz’s defense: flashy, but no substance. The guy was so obviously finished as a coach. But he was a “name” from the “mighty SEC” and of course a Cane. Lets not forget though when we fired Coker he told us to **** off and stayed at UGA. This is not a coach madly driven to succeed.

And then, he wasnt given any standards or money for coaching hires. So he hired a bunch of his friends and proteges, Manny included as he was an FSU buddy. And Miami let him do whatever he wanted, and a joke budget. So instead of Chad Morris and Brent Venables and a HC who can simply recruit all day long and fund raise, we got NO OC and a journeyman DC who has had some really questionable seasons.

You aint competing with class act programs with a system like this. Sorry, not happening. To expect anything other than what we have seen is DELUSIONAL.
 
Start Perry...not like you gone lose the team from the move. If anything they will rally behind the kid. Don't wait around until we get in conference play make the move now and take your lumps vs the next 3 opponents. Like someone said earlier these next 3 games will let us know who Ritch really is
 
Agree but we can’t afford to have a stafff of stud coaches. Bama is around the 20 million mark for coaches we can’t compete with that.

Add on top of that paying for players ( which we just can’t afford either )is a recipe for well what we saw last night.
 
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Agree but we can’t afford to have a stafff of stud coaches. Bama is around the 20 million mark for coaches we can’t compete with that.

Add on top of that paying for players ( which we just can’t afford either )is a recipe for well what we saw last night.

We dont need to be Bama.

But we need to be spending what the big programs do or there is no point to this. The idea that we are going to be able to win while half assing everything is a delusion.
 
Bama was just one example. There are multiple programs who spend a ton on staff and players. We are a small private university do we really have the money and donors to pay? Doesn’t look like it.
 
Start Perry...not like you gone lose the team from the move. If anything they will rally behind the kid. Don't wait around until we get in conference play make the move now and take your lumps vs the next 3 opponents. Like someone said earlier these next 3 games will let us know who Ritch really is
***** that! Start Jarren! He is the future, and the future is Now!
 
Talking about improvements in the O-line and the QB is just that talk. Action talks BS walks.
 
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