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Talent Part II: Electric Boogaloo

Bpayne32 said:
The only reason guys like Thurston and olsen even have a grade is because they play for the u olsen and Thurston are terrible would be back ups at wake forest
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How do you do it? How do you suck cack and type at the same time?
 
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Dan E. Dangerously said:
Good 'ol Mikey B. with the dagger. Yea, there's talent.

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The important part:

According to the latest NFL Draft rankings on CBS Sports, Miami is clearly one of the most talented teams in all of college football.

The Hurricanes have 10 players who have a draft grade on their rankings list -- Duke Johnson, Phillip Dorsett, Clive Walford, Ereck Flowers, Jonathan Feliciano,Anthony Chickillo, Olsen Pierre, Denzel Perryman, Thurston Armbrister, andLadarius Gunter.

The amazing part about that is that only one school -- the defending national champions and owners of a 27-game winning streak -- has more. Florida State has 12 on their list.

Here is the rest of the AP Top 10 and how many players are on that list:

2. Alabama -- 7
3. Oregon -- 7
4. Mississippi State -- 4
5. Baylor -- 6
6. TCU -- 4
7. Ohio State -- 3
8. Georgia -- 3
9. UCLA -- 3
10. Michigan State -- 5

Some may wonder if other major programs with excellent tradition and home recruiting bases are where the Hurricanes are in terms of overall talent. Again, these numbers indicate they're not. Here are some examples:

Texas -- 6
Florida -- 3
LSU -- 4
USC -- 7
Auburn -- 8
Oklahoma -- 8

Lets dig a bit deeper and look at where all other ACC schools rank.

FSU 12, Louisville 9, Clemson 4, Syracuse 3, Duke 2, Virginia Tech 2, Boston College 1, Georgia Tech 1, Virginia 1, North Carolina 1, North Carolina State 1, Wake Forest 1, and Pittsburgh 1.

Miami's non-conference opponents have low numbers as well -- Nebraska 3, Cincinnati 1, Florida A&M 0, and Arkansas State 0.

There are eight programs who have at least seven players on the list. They're listed below along with their current records against FBS opponents this season.

7: Alabama 9-1
Oregon 9-1
USC 7-4
8: Oklahoma 8-3
Auburn 7-3
9: Louisville 7-3
10: Miami 5-5
12: Florida State 10-0
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Butch Davis would pick that list clean. Guaranteed.
 
The Franchise said:
LULZ at people using "depth" as an excuse for Folden when he's the guy responsible for the depth or lack of depth. Year 4. That's all. Year 4.

Any HC who gets results on the field can clean up down here in recruiting. Location. Location. Location. Location is the great equalizer. The street agents and hustlers only become an issue when the HC has to try to hard to explain his way around all his failures on the field. Once you have to start explaining away too many failures, people get wise to you down here and the vortex swallows you up. At that point, he becomes a beggar, and he becomes beholden to the scum.

If he's a winner, the community embraces him and he can have his choice of the local talent. It's that simple. There's no genius to it. You win, and everyone wants to be part of the winning local program. You don't have to try hard to explain away your 118th ranked defense or your constant losses to inferior programs.

You don't have to be a local guy or familiar with the local ways or any of that ****. Our best recruiting HCs were rednecks straight outta Arkansas.
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This right here. This isn't complicated. People make it complicated It's very simple just like Chise said. You don't have to be salesman of the century nor do you need a PHD in the intricacies of South Florida football politics. What you do have to be is a good/great coach and a winner.

These kids aren't dumb. Most of them can spot a good coach when they see him. Many of these prospects would love to stay home and represent South Florida by playing for the U. What they don't want to do is waste their careers playing timid, mediocre garbage football for a hack who can't get the best out of them because he has no clue how to exploit their talent.

I'm so tired of reading the same thing over and over about how the U can never be elite or dominate again because the "landscape of college football has chanded" and the fact we no longer play in the Orange Bowl. Bullchit!!!!!

UM sits at the very epicenter of the best most fiercely competitive football culture in the nation. The tri county area boasts the most talented and athletically explosive football players anywhere. These kids grow up competing against each other and pushing each other to get better since optimist youth football. Success in football can be a ticket out of the inner city. This has created a Darwinistic type dynamic where only the strongest survive. Consequently what we see is the best football pool in the nation.

These kids want to dominate and they want a stage where they can show their abilities to make big plays. South Florida breeds a certain style of football and that style is aggressive, in your face and fast.

This isn't rocket science. If UM can hire a great coach with a winners mentality the South Florida kids will take notice and will want to come. These kids would love to stay home and represent their hometown. They need to see a competent coach that installs schemes on offense and defense that provide a stage to show of their speed, explosiveness, athleticism and big play ability.

We need to tap into the football culture down here and most importantly we need to rebuild the image of our program as the place where only the best of the best from South Florida go to. Also the local players need to view UM as the most exciting place to play in terms of cutting edge and attacking schemes as well as the best program to prepare then for the NFL.

I'm saying that with the right coach the sleeping giant that is Miami football could be reawakened and could easily experience another period of dominance. It's right there for the taking but the new incoming administration will have to want to take it.
 
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LuCane said:
Bpayne32 said:
The only reason guys like Thurston and olsen even have a grade is because they play for the u olsen and Thurston are terrible would be back ups at wake forest
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Surely, that's what was said about Luther Robinson last year, except he's gotten enough of a look by the NFL. At the same time, guys from Duke, GT and an assortment of other teams who've given us problems over the past couple seasons don't even get an opportunity. The NFL is as cut throat as it comes. There are limited roster and practice squad spots available. If you're looking for an indicator on talent, it'll be on chances the NFL gives a player in the hopes they can build a product to sell back to customers.

You must be one of the handful of guys who I've non-stop argued with over the past couple seasons that we are, at the very least, as talented as some of these other ACC teams giving us problems. Glad you're at least still showing your face. The rest have gone into hiding.
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Oh crap, Lu. I thought 32 was making the point that Al sucked at recruiting because we have chumps starting that would be on the bench Wake. Was that a attempt to defend AL? 32 must be a true deciple, his defense is very much like Al's -- full of frigging holes and expressways.
 
This was an issue that was first seen in 2011. Even with a talent advantage this coach will lose to scrub teams. What's going on in 2014 is nothing new with this guy.

He did the samething at temple also after amassing the most talent team in the league in terms of all confernce guys and guys making it to the NFL compared to the teams he faced.

Rice wash repeat
 
This should be a 1 loss team tops, and that loss was Louisville, but that was also the worst game plan I have ever witnessed in 30 years of watching football.

The talent is all over the roster, the games we lost we were simply out coached. That in itself should be reason enough to let this ******* staff go.
 
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The Franchise said:
LULZ at people using "depth" as an excuse for Folden when he's the guy responsible for the depth or lack of depth. Year 4. That's all. Year 4.

Any HC who gets results on the field can clean up down here in recruiting. Location. Location. Location. Location is the great equalizer. The street agents and hustlers only become an issue when the HC has to try to hard to explain his way around all his failures on the field. Once you have to start explaining away too many failures, people get wise to you down here and the vortex swallows you up. At that point, he becomes a beggar, and he becomes beholden to the scum.

If he's a winner, the community embraces him and he can have his choice of the local talent. It's that simple. There's no genius to it. You win, and everyone wants to be part of the winning local program. You don't have to try hard to explain away your 118th ranked defense or your constant losses to inferior programs.

You don't have to be a local guy or familiar with the local ways or any of that ****. Our best recruiting HCs were rednecks straight outta Arkansas.
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Can this be made a sticky for all the idiots who think we need Ice Harris, Kliff Kingsbury, James Nole-ly, or Lane Kiffin in order to "get south florida recruiting"....One of the very best posts I've seen from 'chise, and thats saying a lot b/c dude never posts anything but the truth.
 
you guys should take a page out of warren sapp's book and start playing the race card

the people at the top of UM are whiter than princeton and in todays politically correct sad world there is no way they could ignore it
 
I've been screaming from the mountaintops we have a top 15 rooster. We have Mac level coaches who have never been around winning programs. Butch won a ship here and a world championship or 2 in Dallas. He knew winning. Jimbo ran with Saban, he knows winning. We have guys who have never won any championship at any level and if you wonder why we are stuck in 7 win mode, off yourself.
 
Matt Porter ‏@mattyports 2m2 minutes ago
Raphael Kirby said LB coach Hurlie Brown said this team has national championship-level talent -- better than the teams of the old days.

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