Student of the Game Clemson 2nd Half *OUCH*

[Mr. Dynasty1]

 

[skyman]

Dont know why he is asking for our CB to do something they arent taught to do.. We have been asking for 4 years for them to turn their heads, different corners, same technique.. The things we ask most of our corners is to set the edge and tackle, you guys saw the vibez from Ivey when Etienne was striking up the band

 

[canesmang1]

McCloud got obliterated by that TE. Then to watch Mallory have a chance to do the same he ended up on his back smh

 

[canes1996]

I usually LOVE these breakdowns. Haven’t had the stomach to watch yet.

 

[fedupcane]

The mccloud play is the best example of why manny’s scheme doesn’t work against good teams. Yes, McCloud isn’t a Miami level LB but the reason that explosive play happened is bc of the alignment and assignment rules that Diaz feels aren’t needed.

 

[Mr. Dynasty1]

The mccloud play is the best example of why manny’s scheme doesn’t work against good teams. Yes, McCloud isn’t a Miami level LB but the reason that explosive play happened is bc of the alignment and assignment rules that Diaz feels aren’t needed.

Alignments are def off. Thats not why that play happened tho. It happened becaused McCloud got blown the **** up and didn't take on the blockers outside should to force the cutback.

 

[citizenkane]

Flagg has better instincts already
McCloud is a JAG..always remember that

 

[fedupcane]

Roche literally just rushes up the field and it creates a gigantic lane. You could call this player error, except Phillips on the strong side is ALSO five yards up field. This is the Mickey Andrews jet technique that stopped working about 18 years ago.

So even if McCloud is able to get to the TE, if he spills it, there is nobody to spill to, and the hole is still huge, and if his job is to turn it back, the other LBs/safeties/strikers aren’t in a position to fill anyway, and it would still be a huge hole.

Our players aren’t the greatest but this is design folks!

 

[fedupcane]

You cannot coach DE’s like this and expect to stop anyone.

 

[fedupcane]

Anyone familiar with the real Miami defense knows a concept of block down step down. The idea is if the OT blocks inside, the DE follows him tight to the LOS and absolutely mauls the pulling guard with his inside shoulder. It creates a wall that forces runners to have to go wide, where ourLBs and DBs came screaming across to tackle. “Sideline to sideline” and “swarming” were used to describe us.

Diaz’s scheme here doesn’t use that. Roche after the down block takes the pulling guard with his inside shoulder and continues up the field. This was a Mickey Andrews made up concept he called the jet technique. Works ok against old school in the box offenses bc you have a ton of players near the ball. In today’s game its an easily worked around dinosaur way of playing defense and the trade off there was a 5 yard tackle for loss vs an 80 yard TD.

 

[AL CANE]

Roche literally just rushes up the field and it creates a gigantic lane. You could call this player error, except Phillips on the strong side is ALSO five yards up field. This is the Mickey Andrews jet technique that stopped working about 18 years ago.

So even if McCloud is able to get to the TE, if he spills it, there is nobody to spill to, and the hole is still huge, and if his job is to turn it back, the other LBs/safeties/strikers aren’t in a position to fill anyway, and it would still be a huge hole.

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Not that it matters because, like you said, Clemson had this by design all the way. Mostly because of our alignment. But 3 of 4 DL completely engulfed by the OL, none using their hands except Phillips setting a decent edge on the backside. Football 101 you can't defeat a block if you aren't creating separation.

 

[fedupcane]

Not that it matters because, like you said, Clemson had this by design all the way. Mostly because of our alignment. But 3 of 4 DL completely engulfed by the OL, none using their hands except Phillips setting a decent edge on the backside. Football 101 you can't defeat a block if you aren't creating separation.

But Phillips is also far too upfield here. The DTs are actually doing their job, they have created a pile at the LOS By getting their bodies in the gap. Roche isn’t getting dominated either, he is doing the staple DE technique that Mickey Andrews taught for about 15 years. It’s just a flawed way of playing defense post 1999.

 

[Billy D Williams]

The mccloud play is the best example of why manny’s scheme doesn’t work against good teams. Yes, McCloud isn’t a Miami level LB but the reason that explosive play happened is bc of the alignment and assignment rules that Diaz feels aren’t needed.

100% Correct

 

[skyman]

Roche literally just rushes up the field and it creates a gigantic lane. You could call this player error, except Phillips on the strong side is ALSO five yards up field. This is the Mickey Andrews jet technique that stopped working about 18 years ago.

So even if McCloud is able to get to the TE, if he spills it, there is nobody to spill to, and the hole is still huge, and if his job is to turn it back, the other LBs/safeties/strikers aren’t in a position to fill anyway, and it would still be a huge hole.

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GREAT PICS.. Corch said on his zoom call a safety was out of alignment.. But like you said this is mickey andrews defense who was Diaz mentor sooo yea..

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

Diaz is a sabermetrics believer and I think his main advanced metric is havoc (a teams total tackles for loss, passes defensed and forced fumbles, divided by total plays). I assume that he feels that a high havoc rate is the recipe for success. If you notice the formula, it pays no attention to big plays allowed or points allowed. A 5 yd TFL on 1st down, followed by allowing two 30 yard runs, and then forcing a fumble has a far higher value in Diaz's D than giving up 3 yards per play on 1st-3rd down and forcing a punt on 4th and 1. It's not fundamentally sound because that doesn't appear to be of great importance in the advanced metrics.

 

[NicKane]

Alignments are def off. Thats not why that play happened tho. It happened becaused McCloud got blown the **** up and didn't take on the blockers outside should to force the cutback.

Amen D. Anyone who has ever played linebacker at any level knows that you always take on the blocker at his outside shoulder to force everything inside to your fellow linebacker scraping down To make the play on the cut back. And even if he misses the play you have all the rest of your teammates in a position to suffocate the play and make the tackle. You never, ever let the running back break outside to the open field, I mean this is linebacker 101 peewee stuff and McLeod either doesn’t haver the instincts or lateral quickness to get into the correct position to defend that play. Either way he needs to sit the pine for the rest of his career here or transfer out and use his free year somewhere else because he’s really bad.

 

[gacaneaddict]

McCloud was playing on 1 leg basically as he had gotten hurt. I guarantee you that TE doesn’t block him like that if he was healthy. He was limping noticeably after his injury.

 

[Arehel]

Roche literally just rushes up the field and it creates a gigantic lane. You could call this player error, except Phillips on the strong side is ALSO five yards up field. This is the Mickey Andrews jet technique that stopped working about 18 years ago.

So even if McCloud is able to get to the TE, if he spills it, there is nobody to spill to, and the hole is still huge, and if his job is to turn it back, the other LBs/safeties/strikers aren’t in a position to fill anyway, and it would still be a huge hole.

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All these were noticable vs UAB.

Next time you see a TE or off the line Hback/TE, look where our Ends line up, inside shade and they attack that gap.
Schematically I effing hate that. You're making you LB spill over, which is fine, but he's also responsible for B gap.

I'd prefer, head up, essentially 6tech, two head sin the chest and peak and see where the runner is, and plays games with him. You're an end and if you got a TE/Hback on you you should be able to do whatever you what.

 

[fedupcane]

McCloud was playing on 1 leg basically as he had gotten hurt. I guarantee you that TE doesn’t block him like that if he was healthy. He was limping noticeably after his injury.

Point is it doesn’t matter if he gets all of that TE. The play was busted regardless.

I literally think Diaz has done every single correct move a coach could make this offseason, with the offensive staff to the portal to the recruiting. The next step for him is having the confidence to let go of his defense and let someone else come in to establish a better system that has been proven. There is no shame in that. It would also be his way of cutting loose his boys on defense.