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Dawgcane said:
If you get all receivers that wide most likely creating a 10-12 yard longer throw. Agree keeps DB away from blitz, but sorta eliminates shallow crosses and curls which are easier throws for limited QB’s, PROVIDED we run some shallow routes.
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Honestly think the shallow cross and curl are still in play in that system. Ive watched teams with spacing utilize them. The x/z corner/out is negated but miami doesn't run a ton of corners from that grouping.

It does require a strong arm qb to execute. You need to be able to cover the distance. We have a guy on the roster who started this year that makes those throws btw.
 
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scrantoncane said:
@Roman Marciante what play did we run with this spacing?
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The one still shot is baylor. They popularized if you will, "the baylor spread" its an air raid derivative but they really do this to run believe it or not. Easy to read numbers and it gets additional defenders in space conflict.

Miami routinely keeps their #2 inside the hash. That still was what it looked like right before kosi threw his first interception. Uva came with a late blitz.

No check down option because homer stayed into block across the formation. Perry tried to force all verticals and simply lost track of the single high.

In a system or ideology where it's spread the #2 db is coming from further away. No way you can hide this look uva employed.

Essentially the safety needs to cheat early to cover the db blitz and he's leaving a huge hole in the middle of the field.
 
Chard said:
Makes sense. However, there has to be pros for running the formations this way. Can you explain why they are spacing the way they currently are? Is there a reason? Did you see this on multiple plays? Where these running plays? RPO?

Also, the oline obviously looks like they're set up in pass blocking. Would it be better to have them all on the line and space the oline out? I was taught to close up the spacing on passing downs, widen the spacing on run plays but we were all on the line.

Thanks.
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I'll try to answer this.
Pros? Space conflict for defense. Can't hide coverages as well. Easy to get box numbers advantage. Athletes 1 v 1 in space.

Cons? Need strong arm qb, cuts off out concepts in the route tree from the x/z

Rpo? Still have plenty of options. Easily can redirect the inside zone to a tunnel screen from the x rather than a bubble from the slot.

And splits on the offensive line? Can't tip a defense that easily. Very easy to have wide splits to run. Lot of teams do this. But athletic linemen needed to close the gap.
 
Also helps the running game too.. Everyone should be looking towards a quick passing scheme if Kosi is starting. Maybe in the offseason Richt will finally add spacing and motion to the scheme. But for now pray for quick passing.
 
Roman Marciante said:
I'll try to answer this.
Pros? Space conflict for defense. Can't hide coverages as well. Easy to get box numbers advantage. Athletes 1 v 1 in space.

Cons? Need strong arm qb, cuts off out concepts in the route tree from the x/z

Rpo? Still have plenty of options. Easily can redirect the inside zone to a tunnel screen from the x rather than a bubble from the slot.

And splits on the offensive line? Can't tip a defense that easily. Very easy to have wide splits to run. Lot of teams do this. But athletic linemen needed to close the gap.
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I believe he meant the pros to the way we run it now.
 
I said this in the spring...

This fvckin' guy wants to run a spread offense but doesn't use any of the common spread principles. Our spacing sucks and does our offense no favors. If he wants to run the spread offense then he needs to get out of the 90's and go seek help from one of college football's 2,029 young offensive minds.
 
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Coach Macho said:
I said this in the spring...

This fvckin' guy wants to run a spread offense but doesn't use any of the common spread principles. Our spacing sucks and does our offense no favors. If he wants to run the spread offense then he needs to get out of the 90's and go seek help from one of college football's 2,029 young offensive minds.
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U think this guy will hire an OC at years end? Doubt it....these coaches usually have huge egos.
 
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Roman Marciante said:
The one still shot is baylor. They popularized if you will, "the baylor spread" its an air raid derivative but they really do this to run believe it or not. Easy to read numbers and it gets additional defenders in space conflict.

Miami routinely keeps their #2 inside the hash. That still was what it looked like right before kosi threw his first interception. Uva came with a late blitz.

No check down option because homer stayed into block across the formation. Perry tried to force all verticals and simply lost track of the single high.

In a system or ideology where it's spread the #2 db is coming from further away. No way you can hide this look uva employed.

Essentially the safety needs to cheat early to cover the db blitz and he's leaving a huge hole in the middle of the field.
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Also gives more options for RB to get open run option or can go on a banana route
 
The middle of the field on the wide splits photo is empty. One LB and nothing else. Just this formation would give our athletes including Rosier so much room to maneuver. I prefer Kosi but **** this is wide open for anyone to succeed with talent like we have
 
Roman Marciante said:


Miami has been exposed a little with some db blitzes. One way to combat that and literally a way miami could isolate their athletes is with spacing.

Notice the field here. Our #2 wr is inside the hash. That #2 db can easily factor from a closer position. He blitzed here and kosi threw his first pick.

That other still shows spacing and that #2 db blitz would have to come from the stratosphere. It is so much more identifiable and easier to contend with. Qb's can read this easily imo.

You want to get people out of your box to run as well? Move them out of the box. I think spacing would aid this running game.

You want a miami offense to succeed? It is a very simple formula. Take your superior athlete and isolate them 1v1 as much as you can in space.

That's my theory anyway
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One of the tried and true axioms to live by: "there's nothing new in football"

Agree with you 100%. The idea of using spacing to create isolation is not a new concept, but it was a staple of Dennis Erickson's offense when he was at UM. He was pretty creative in stretching the field horizontally, and I think Richt could do some of those same things.

And Dennis did incorporate out/corner concepts with his x/z receivers to field. he did it by also vertical stretching proportionately. the concepts remain in play but you need to run the routes a bit deeper, particularly if you're the high receiver in the pattern. Yes, the QB needs arm for that, but it still works
 
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Dawgcane said:
If you get all receivers that wide most likely creating a 10-12 yard longer throw. Agree keeps DB away from blitz, but sorta eliminates shallow crosses and curls which are easier throws for limited QB’s, PROVIDED we run some shallow routes.
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Tight splits make the drag and deep over routes more effective (Rams destroy with this) but Richt doesn't use those. There's no integration between the run and pass game - everything in Richt's offense is static, slow and deliberate.

Richt has 2 alignments:

X wide split = slant
X tighter split = fade

Rest of the time it's all verts.
 
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Coach Macho said:
I said this in the spring...

This fvckin' guy wants to run a spread offense but doesn't use any of the common spread principles. Our spacing sucks and does our offense no favors. If he wants to run the spread offense then he needs to get out of the 90's and go seek help from one of college football's 2,029 young offensive minds.
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Yep, I've never see a "spread" so tighlty bunched. I wager it makes it easy to defend.

I don't think Richt has to make big adjustments...I'd go 5 wide spread (including Jordan) and single back and go short passing game. Easier reads, quick throws, hard to disguise defense, can run, etc. How about some 2 back sets with Homer and Dallas? Can use that any way you'd like. So many opportunities...
 
AUcane said:
Yep, I've never see a "spread" so tighlty bunched. I wager it makes it easy to defend.

I don't think Richt has to make big adjustments...I'd go 5 wide spread (including Jordan) and single back and go short passing game. Easier reads, quick throws, hard to disguise defense, can run, etc. How about some 2 back sets with Homer and Dallas? Can use that any way you'd like. So many opportunities...
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Personally I hate when OC's spread my defense out with wide splits. Makes it impossible for me to disguise stuff. (without being out of position)
I'm happy when I get close splits. Allows me to keep my guys in the box and disguise blitzes better.

If you're not using wide splits (at all) in college then you're a dummy. That's the whole advantage to having wider hash marks. NCAA has wider hashes, use them!
 
Coach Macho said:
Personally I hate when OC's spread my defense out with wide splits. Makes it impossible for me to disguise stuff. (without being out of position)
I'm happy when I get close splits. Allows me to keep my guys in the box and disguise blitzes better.

If you're not using wide splits (at all) in college then you're a dummy. That's the whole advantage to having wider hash marks. NCAA has wider hashes, use them!
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