Show yourself if you said we have no talent

[Waffle Honcho]

This thread won't be that long. Most here claimed golden was an excellent recruiter. How can u say he was an excellent recruiter but say miami has no talent?

Because just like Golden supporters statements are only relevant if they support their current argument regardless if they contradict a statement from a different argument.

Ex. prior years yards don't matter, only points, wins and losses. This year we were top 15 in yards, but just didn't get the wins.

Also, they support the great recruiter argument with the players are young (even 4 years later, the players are still young). Apparently the players are always young so next year when they have more experience we will win (ignoring the fact that the best players will be gone next year).

Yards don't matter. Only wins and losses. Wins have regressed, now he deserves to be fired. Many people wanted him fired last year after giving up too many yards, those are the people who have changed their current argument.

 

[NoVaCane04]

Go ahead, make your points again about the lack of talent.

UM might be a top 5 NFL rich team in the country this past season, based on whats going on at these NFL evaluations/camps.

What's going on right now is officially slaying the one fallacious argument UM/Blake/Golden/Slurpers have been making: that the cloud prevented us from landing talent.

It is now officially INARGUABLE, not that those with common sense couldnt tell before. Every comment/email/sign should now be directed towards the death of their last straw argument.

So go ahead, come here and tell us all again how we don't have the talent to compete in the ACC, when we had the talent to compete for the ******* playoffs.

OP, I hope you drown in ounces of ****.

 

[poncho0091]

We definitely dont have enough talent to sniff the CFB playoff, but we should have made it to the ACC Championship with good coaching.

Disagree. Fsu had the talent to make it. I honestly feel like we were better than fsu this year. We should have won that game. With a real coaching staff, I think we win that game 3 out of 5 times this year

 

[Awsi Dooger]

The OP was best served to leave out the laughable final summary, that we should have been competing for the playoffs. That slots no differently in the opposite extreme from anybody who asserted we had no talent. It's an exponential leap even from top tier bowl level to legitimately threatening that final four.

Somebody early in the thread summarized well, including true freshman quarterback and weakness at scheme and defensive tackle. The subjective praise of Kaaya doesn't want to accept the logical correlation of starting a true freshman at that position and losing games, particularly when the opener is road Fury of Anti-Revenge at a talented defensively sound team that just embarrassed you in a bowl game, and shortly thereafter at Nebraska as a touchdown underdog.

We have some very nice players. I emphasized early in 2014 that the number of stiffs on the field is considerably lower than a year earlier. That's been the problem around here, top guys mixed with players who have no business in the program, let alone starting. It decreased in 2014 and figures to stay low. That's why I've never fully understood the condemnation around here, the juvenile animosity. The top guy is not going anywhere right now, just like Ryan Tannehill is not going anywhere with the Dolphins, even though a guy with a lifetime sub-7 YPA and no greatness in his background doesn't figure to be special at any point. The best teams have great players mixed with very good players. We had too much muck, and even our best options at critical spots like defensive tackle are subpar.

I seem to remember praising these guys far beyond conventional wisdom at the time. I remember asserting Flowers had first round potential, and that Walford was way too low on a list here that had him pegged in a middle to late round.

My focus remains unchanged: Preseason ratings are gold. For all the Happy Adjusters and the rants and raves, we'll know we've truly returned when our preseason rating is high. Consensus high. That is based on talent level. Until then it will be mostly irrelevant whines and complaints.

 

[kmwcane]

The OP was best served to leave out the laughable final summary, that we should have been competing for the playoffs. That slots no differently in the opposite extreme from anybody who asserted we had no talent. It's an exponential leap even from top tier bowl level to legitimately threatening that final four.

Somebody early in the thread summarized well, including true freshman quarterback and weakness at scheme and defensive tackle. The subjective praise of Kaaya doesn't want to accept the logical correlation of starting a true freshman at that position and losing games, particularly when the opener is road Fury of Anti-Revenge at a talented defensively sound team that just embarrassed you in a bowl game, and shortly thereafter at Nebraska as a touchdown underdog.

We have some very nice players. I emphasized early in 2014 that the number of stiffs on the field is considerably lower than a year earlier. That's been the problem around here, top guys mixed with players who have no business in the program, let alone starting. It decreased in 2014 and figures to stay low. That's why I've never fully understood the condemnation around here, the juvenile animosity. The top guy is not going anywhere right now, just like Ryan Tannehill is not going anywhere with the Dolphins, even though a guy with a lifetime sub-7 YPA and no greatness in his background doesn't figure to be special at any point. The best teams have great players mixed with very good players. We had too much muck, and even our best options at critical spots like defensive tackle are subpar.

Another misguided tangent from Awsi. The bottom line is that Miami had more talent than every team they played this year except FSU. With good coaching, this Miami team should've won 10 games this year, even with a freshman QB.

I seem to remember praising these guys far beyond conventional wisdom at the time. I remember asserting Flowers had first round potential, and that Walford was way too low on a list here that had him pegged in a middle to late round.

Of course you did! It is amazing how you are always right about things after the fact!

My focus remains unchanged: Preseason ratings are gold. For all the Happy Adjusters and the rants and raves, we'll know we've truly returned when our preseason rating is high. Consensus high. That is based on talent level. Until then it will be mostly irrelevant whines and complaints.

Yes, preaseason ratings are the way! All screen passes should fail, especially ones on third down! Long live the triple option!

 

[prinmemo]

Now we have to have NFL talent at every position to win? Lol!

What would Duke's W-L record would look like if David Cutclilffe had a roster like Miami's? Who knows? But it's reasonable to assume that he'd have done better than the 9-4 he got Duke to, with a roster that is obviously not as good. The same could be said for Paul Johnson's 11-3 GT team, and probably Frank Beamer's sad VT squad.

I don't have to make the claim that Al is the worst football coach ever (though it's certainly possible); it should suffice that he is AT BEST the fourth-best coach in his own division. (We'll have to see how Narduzzi does as a HC before we know exactly where things stand.) He had the best talent in the ACC Coastal, and the worst record.

Any time anybody talks about how Al is still rebuilding needs to address that reality, or they can't be taken seriously. Best talent. Worst record.

Totally agree. By the way, my point was that we have more than enough talent to win the Coastal. We don't need NFL caliber talent at every position to do so.