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Ryan Day stated that Ohio State needs $13 million annually in NIL just to keep the current roster in tact and didn't even mention locking up recruiting classes.
He stated that the following amounts are needed

-Top Tier QB $2 million
-Elite Edge Rusher $1 million
-Top Offensive lineman $1 million

He made his comments at a function with Ohio business owners present. Not sure what Ohio laws are regarding NIL but it appears that the school and staff can get intimately involved with NIL organizations. Hope that Radakovich is working on an overall NIL program approach to ensure that UM has a variety of active NIL program sponsors to support the athletic department and ensure that UM is on competitive NIL footing with the major teams in the country. Entering a very different environment for college athletics ... has to be driving the AD's and coaches nuts.
 
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Go Canes!! said:
This whole NIL thing, in its current form, is an unmitigated disaster.
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The NCAA did this by not letting the athletes have a penny and not having a backup plan after they lost court case after court case. Maybe it would have gotten to this point anyway, but it probably would have taken a lot longer if they had loosened regulations on players being able to do things like sell autographs, get jersey sales money, etc. Now, b/c of the courts' decisions, everyone smells blood and the NCAA is scared/likely can't put any rules in place that they can enforce that will rein this in.
 
Go Canes!! said:
This whole NIL thing, in its current form, is an unmitigated disaster.
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Is it? Is it really? Or is it just reallocating a very small part of the billions of dollars the schools make to the kids who are the actual product.

Let's not pretend that CFB isn't already a case of the haves and have nots. Don't see how this really changes anything from a macro sense, except that it rearranges the deck chairs a bit, and allows programs that aren't as likely to commit felonies in order to pay kids to compete with the shady ones that do.
 
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Cryptical Envelopment said:
is it? Is it really? Or is it just reallocating a very small part of the billions of dollars the schools make to the kids who are the actual product.

Let's not pretend that CFB isn't already a case of the haves and have nots. Don't see how this really changes anything from a macro sense, except that it rearranges the deck chairs a bit, and allows programs that aren't as likely to commit felonies in order to pay kids to compete with the shady ones that do.
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Closest analogy is legalized Maui Wowie…
 
Cryptical Envelopment said:
is it? Is it really? Or is it just reallocating a very small part of the billions of dollars the schools make to the kids who are the actual product.

Let's not pretend that CFB isn't already a case of the haves and have nots. Don't see how this really changes anything from a macro sense, except that it rearranges the deck chairs a bit, and allows programs that aren't as likely to commit felonies in order to pay kids to compete with the shady ones that do.
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While I agree with you that players should absolutely be getting money and this will allow more schools into the group of realistic contenders, I think you are also going to end up widening the gap between the haves and have nots - basically eliminating the middle class of college football with the top tier eventually breaking away.

And when that happens, is it fun to watch? We will find out soon when a lot of these SEC fans that are so happy about getting OU and Tex are going to see their teams playing 9 conference games against what many will consider good teams, but those good teams are going to have records that don't look very good by CFB standards. The league is going to have to get used to most of the teams having NFL type records; that is going to be further exasperated if the top ~25 teams break away - you are going to have teams that are now 8-4 or 7-5 who could end up with 2-10, 3-9, 4-8 type records.

As for the schools that don't make the cut for the super leagues, are those schools going keep football after their TV contracts inevitably go down significantly? Maybe that was going to happen anyway, but this seems to be accelerating it.

Also, does it get to the point where even with schools legally spending all of this money that some schools are able to spend so much more that we end up back in the situation where all of the top kids still end up going to the same few schools (maybe a different set of schools).

I realize this might have happened anyway and it will eventually settle itself out, but I don't know if the product will be better when it does - hopefully it will at least be the same quality.

And to be clear, I do not have an answer for what the solution is as outside of a collective bargaining agreement with the players (which is not going to happen) and I don't see how you could legally (or fairly) rein this in, so it is the reality that we likely need to live with.
 
Cryptical Envelopment said:
Is it? Is it really? Or is it just reallocating a very small part of the billions of dollars the schools make to the kids who are the actual product.
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I'm not so sure it's a reallocation of the billions of dollars made by the schools and the NCAA. After all, it's not like the schools or NCAA are actually footing the bill on this, right? By example, I don't think Ruiz has made a dollar off the unpaid labor of college athletes, but he's sure as **** stroking checks for them right now.

The NCAA and schools may be crying that they are losing control, but they STILL aren't paying their fair share. As far as I'm concerned, that's the real hidden story here.
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
I'm not so sure it's a reallocation of the billions of dollars made by the schools and the NCAA. After all, it's not like the schools or NCAA are actually footing the bill on this, right? By example, I don't think Ruiz has made a dollar off the unpaid labor of college athletes, but he's sure as **** stroking checks for them right now.

The NCAA and schools may be crying that they are losing control, but they STILL aren't paying their fair share. As far as I'm concerned, that's the real hidden story here.
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Yeah - they are going to lose some money in donations, but they are still keeping all of the revenue they currently generate from TV and ticket sales. If they wanted to control this, they could have made the players employees but then they would have had to share that money.
 
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No_Fly_Zone said:
I'm not so sure it's a reallocation of the billions of dollars made by the schools and the NCAA. After all, it's not like the schools or NCAA are actually footing the bill on this, right? By example, I don't think Ruiz has made a dollar off the unpaid labor of college athletes, but he's sure as **** stroking checks for them right now.

The NCAA and schools may be crying that they are losing control, but they STILL aren't paying their fair share. As far as I'm concerned, that's the real hidden story here.
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I think a good portion of the NIL money would have been earmarked for donations, but is being reallocated to the kids instead of the school. I don't think it's incremental.
 
Cryptical Envelopment said:
I think a good portion of the NIL money would have been earmarked for donations, but is being reallocated to the kids instead of the school. I don't think it's incremental.
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I am not so sure about the first part. These $EC and bigtime bag schools that were (are?) paying these kids under the table through different booster organizations who are now putting some/most of that $$$ into collectives under the guise of NIL obviously weren't donating that $$$ to the schools (they were using it for bags). And guys like Ruiz, who appear to be legitimately interested in the prospect of some (even marginal) ROI on their NIL dollars, likely have a higher budget for NIL than they would for straight donations.

So I think it's fair to say a good portion of this money is either: (1) money that wasn't reaching the schools anyway; or (2) "new" money. That said, I am sure there is some $$$ that would have been donated to the various athletic departments of the schools, but for NIL (and which is no longer being donated to those schools and being directly paid out to the players). Either way, the schools (and especially the NCAA) are getting a big discount over directly paying the kids any sort of market rate themselves.
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
I am not so sure about the first part. These $EC and bigtime bag schools that were (are?) paying these kids under the table through different booster organizations who are now putting some/most of that $$$ into collectives under the guise of NIL obviously weren't donating that $$$ to the schools (they were using it for bags). And guys like Ruiz, who appear to be legitimately interested in the prospect of some (even marginal) ROI on their NIL dollars, likely have a higher budget for NIL than they would for straight donations.

So I think it's fair to say a good portion of this money is either: (1) money that wasn't reaching the schools anyway; or (2) "new" money. That said, I am sure there is some $$$ that would have been donated to the various athletic departments of the schools, but for NIL (and which is no longer being donated to those schools and being directly paid out to the players). Either way, the schools (and especially the NCAA) are getting a big discount over directly paying the kids any sort of market rate themselves.
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Meet in the middle? :)
 
Rickd said:
Ryan Day stated that Ohio State needs $13 million annually in NIL just to keep the current roster in tact and didn't even mention locking up recruiting classes.
He stated that the following amounts are needed

-Top Tier QB $2 million
-Elite Edge Rusher $1 million
-Top Offensive lineman $1 million

He made his comments at a function with Ohio business owners present. Not sure what Ohio laws are regarding NIL but it appears that the school and staff can get intimately involved with NIL organizations. Hope that Radakovich is working on an overall NIL program approach to ensure that UM has a variety of active NIL program sponsors to support the athletic department and ensure that UM is on competitive NIL footing with the major teams in the country. Entering a very different environment for college athletics ... has to be driving the AD's and coaches nuts.
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In a year or so you're probably looking at around $50M to acquire and maintain talent at an annual level, each year.
 
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Cryptical Envelopment said:
I think a good portion of the NIL money would have been earmarked for donations, but is being reallocated to the kids instead of the school. I don't think it's incremental.
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No_Fly_Zone said:
I am not so sure about the first part. These $EC and bigtime bag schools that were (are?) paying these kids under the table through different booster organizations who are now putting some/most of that $$$ into collectives under the guise of NIL obviously weren't donating that $$$ to the schools (they were using it for bags). And guys like Ruiz, who appear to be legitimately interested in the prospect of some (even marginal) ROI on their NIL dollars, likely have a higher budget for NIL than they would for straight donations.

So I think it's fair to say a good portion of this money is either: (1) money that wasn't reaching the schools anyway; or (2) "new" money. That said, I am sure there is some $$$ that would have been donated to the various athletic departments of the schools, but for NIL (and which is no longer being donated to those schools and being directly paid out to the players). Either way, the schools (and especially the NCAA) are getting a big discount over directly paying the kids any sort of market rate themselves.
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No_Fly_Zone said:
Works for me, lol!
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I think you are both right, but I think the rate of facility upgrades might slow down a bit...

What UGA got for $175 million in football facilities spending​

The University of Georgia Athletic Association has spent $175 million on more than 350,000 square feet of football facilities projects since Kirby Smart was hired as head coach in December 2015. Here’s a breakdown of what the Bulldogs have gotten for all of that money:

SANFORD STADIUM WEST-END EXPANSION
Cost: $63 million.
Significance and scope of project: On the same day as the indoor-practice-facility dedication — Feb. 14, 2017 — the UGA Athletic Association board voted to approve another long-discussed project: the addition of a new game-day locker room and recruiting hospitality lounge on the west end of Sanford Stadium, with $53 million of the cost to be raised from private donations/pledges and the rest from Athletic Association reserves.

FOOTBALL OPERATIONS FACILITY
Cost: $80 million.
Significance and scope of project: The board was told early this year that $71.5 million of the $80 million needed to complete the project had been raised by the department’s development office through donations and pledges.

INDOOR PRACTICE FACILITY
When completed: January 2017.
Cost: $31 million.
Significance and scope of project: The facility, which includes a full-sized football field and also can be used by other sports, was “completely funded by private gifts,” UGA said when construction was completed. A year later, the facility was named the William Porter Payne and Porter Otis Payne Indoor Athletic Facility in honor of the Atlanta Olympics CEO and his late father, both former UGA football players. The naming was the result of gifts totaling more than $10 million from friends of the Payne family.

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What UGA got for $175 million in football facilities spending

Since Kirby Smart's hire in December 2015, the Georgia Athletic Association has spent $175 million on more than 350,000 square feet of football facilities projects.
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What is Ohio State’s coaching budget? Ryan Day’s annual compensation was recently adjusted up to $9.5M. I assume his staff collectively earns close to or over the $3.5M needed to equal the $13M in NIL money he’s referring to.

Yet some think ‘NIL is a disaster”.
 
Liberty City El said:
All economic systems are disasters, the perfect market & perfect system doesn’t exist.
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I agree economic systems can vary, but this isn’t even a system it’s just random chaos. There needs to be some kind of structure or this is going to continue to spiral out of control.

We are barely past year one and look how bad it’s gotten.
 
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