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OrangeBowlMagic

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This is by far my biggest reservation headed into the season. And I’m not a boomer, you won’t hear me yelling “RUN THE **** BALL”, I’m not an establish the run type of dude. I know full well the analytics will tell you designed runs are almost -EV at this point. But at some point, you have to be able to run the football to win games. You have to have a physical group up front to dictate how your offense is going to handle a defense. And I can’t remember the last time we had that here. It’s been literally decades since we were able to line up in heavy and move people off the line of scrimmage with any regularity.

We all know Mario and Mirabal’s pedigree. I have no doubt that in 2-3 years, we will have a very good offensive line. But what about this year? What can we really expect to change from last year, considering these are mostly the same kids? Because last year was GROSS. Check out this tweet from David Hale. My god this is offensive for a team who should have talent across the board.

And miss me with the Lashlee stuff and how Gattis’ scheme will mitigate this and flip it on its head. Lashlee has has successful rushing offenses. He comes from the Gus tree, they know how to run the football. This, to me, is talent, desire, and fundamentals. I know the fundamentals will be better. Will the talent and desire to knock the **** out of people follow suit?




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OrangeBowlMagic said:
This is by far my biggest reservation headed into the season. And I’m not a boomer, you won’t hear me yelling “RUN THE **** BALL”, I’m not an establish the run type of dude. I know full well the analytics will tell you designed runs are almost -EV at this point. But at some point, you have to be able to run the football to win games. You have to have a physical group up front to dictate how your offense is going to handle a defense. And I can’t remember the last time we had that here. It’s been literally decades since we were able to line up in heavy and move people off the line of scrimmage with any regularity.

We all know Mario and Mirabal’s pedigree. I have no doubt that in 2-3 years, we will have a very good offensive line. But what about this year? What can we really expect to change from last year, considering these are mostly the same kids? Because last year was GROSS. Check out this tweet from David Hale. My god this is offensive for a team who should have talent across the board.

And miss me with the Lashlee stuff and how Gattis’ scheme will mitigate this and flip it on its head. Lashlee has has successful rushing offenses. He comes from the Gus tree, they know how to run the football. This, to me, is talent, desire, and fundamentals. I know the fundamentals will be better. Will the talent and desire to knock the **** out of people follow suit?




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Great post, I’ve been thinking about highlighting something like this, but I poured all my energy into the much more important Gattis in the Box post.

Couple of thoughts:

1) Being overly concerned that we will suddenly run the ball too much should be tempered by the fact that we ran the ball so unbelievably poorly last year. The data is the data and we were amongst the worst in P5, and thus likely in UM history. Running the ball at a mediocre level is going to feel revolutionary.

2) TVD had the season he did with absolutely no help. The defense sucked, the run game was worse, if he didn’t pass like a mad man we don’t win games. There’s a counternarrative out there that suggests his success was mostly due to him facing bad defenses. Not a single person is highlighting that every defense he faced knew in advance they needed to dedicated almost zero resources to stopping the run. It was only the pass that could kill you, and yet he still did it.
 
saw this on twitter a few minutes ago. horrific. this is also partly on Lashlee, whose run game calls were generally terrible.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
This is by far my biggest reservation headed into the season. And I’m not a boomer, you won’t hear me yelling “RUN THE **** BALL”, I’m not an establish the run type of dude. I know full well the analytics will tell you designed runs are almost -EV at this point. But at some point, you have to be able to run the football to win games. You have to have a physical group up front to dictate how your offense is going to handle a defense. And I can’t remember the last time we had that here. It’s been literally decades since we were able to line up in heavy and move people off the line of scrimmage with any regularity.

We all know Mario and Mirabal’s pedigree. I have no doubt that in 2-3 years, we will have a very good offensive line. But what about this year? What can we really expect to change from last year, considering these are mostly the same kids? Because last year was GROSS. Check out this tweet from David Hale. My god this is offensive for a team who should have talent across the board.

And miss me with the Lashlee stuff and how Gattis’ scheme will mitigate this and flip it on its head. Lashlee has has successful rushing offenses. He comes from the Gus tree, they know how to run the football. This, to me, is talent, desire, and fundamentals. I know the fundamentals will be better. Will the talent and desire to knock the **** out of people follow suit?




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Absolutely F-ing Deplorable....NO WAY should a UM rushing attack look like this Glop of sh*t...
 
I dont know how Lashlee gets a pass all of a sudden either? That is confusing.

He is the offensive coordinator. His run game sucked.

Mario if anything is instilling accountability.
 
Lashlee's running game was just the Inside Zone for negative yardage.

As long as we can't run the ball, we'll always be in trouble aganist the Pitts and UVAs.

If we actually develop a running game under Mario, our floor is 10+ wins every year.
 
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When u combine this with our problems tackling.....soft. I made a thread called breeding softness and man got mad. There it is in plain ink. Also that's why I'm baffled at the Lashlee stroke job that I been hearing. Like we mad that is gone? I want a team can run the ball and is explosive when teams challenge us. That's what I want. I wouldn't mind being a running team, like at all. If u aren't explosive it's hard to best talented teams but being able to run the ball also gives you a certain base. It all starts in the trenches.
If we see those abortion stats again Mirabal is gonna cut off his arms and legs. Not happening. Them ****s look like the stats No D used to put up on D.

Btw way OP. To act like Lashlee wasn't a part of it , stop. His play calls were easily sniffed out and there was nothing creative. He ran the ball at Auburn because those teams focused on physicality and if you didn't u got smashed. That was a combination of soft off season program and bad play design and creativity. The OL was decent in pass blocking. Horrific in Run blocking.
 
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Donaldson and Jarrid Williams are out of football completely if I'm not mistaken. Like not even a camp invite or anything. Never saw much of a mean streak with either one. Replacing them with Campbell, Rivers, Sagapolu may help.
 
Lashlee's running game plan here at Miami, was simpler than anything I've seen above a 4th grade level. You simply can't run the ball effectively, at this level.... without a HUGE talent advantage, with his scheme. It was pure ***. He didn't do himself, our OL, nor our RBs, any favors with his timing of employing said running game, either. Too basic and predictable.
 
Crazy thought - maybe a factor in how our running game performed was the running backs?
 
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Fundamentals will always be important. Blocking and tackling for instance. Hoping for major improvement in these areas. We should run block A LOT better this year, and if our RBs can stay healthy, even being 2 good ones down right now, our running game should be vastly improved. Get our WRs to catch the ball and we could have a pretty good offense.
 
rok said:
Donaldson and Jarrid Williams are out of football completely if I'm not mistaken. Like not even a camp invite or anything. Never saw much of a mean streak with either one. Replacing them with Campbell, Rivers, Sagapolu may help.
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Converting 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1 is as much mentality as it is physical technique.
 
after two consecutive Rooster inside runs on third and fourth down against a stacked box, a certain attendee in section 148 yelled at the top of his lungs to Lashlee that he was letting his team down. lashlee and the entire team turned around to help identify the attendee/yeller. i saw the attendee do it. he made a good point then and these numbers seem to support said attendee/yeller.
 
Lashlee's run game looked nothing like Mazlahn's.

He was way over-reliant on simplicity to a fault.
 
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i hated our run game last year.. it was always boom or bust.. . we could rarely line up and get the 1,2,3 yards everybody knew we needed...

2nd and 2 was never a guaranteed first down, even if we ran the ball three straight times.. I hated that.. and it's been that way for a few years.. I can't wait until we KNOW that if we have 2nd or 3rd and short, we will get a first down, regardless if the other team KNOWS we're running the ball...

same thing with red zone offense.. need to get more TDs...
 
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Lashlee's running game plan here at Miami, was simpler than anything I've seen above a 4th grade level. You simply can't run the ball effectively, at this level.... without a HUGE talent advantage, with his scheme. It was pure ***. He didn't do himself, our OL, nor our RBs, any favors with his timing of employing said running game, either. Too basic and predictable.
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Exactly. Our run game seemed to be 90%+ inside runs despite an undersized, underpowered OL. Where were the sweeps and tosses, the outside runs to give the back room to find holes since the line didn't have the size and strength to create holes? Lashlee's stubborn insistence on forcing an inside, power run game was as stubborn and counterproductive as Enos insisting on a complex, slow developing passing game that required the line to be able to pass protect for unusually long times.
 
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