Richt's talent at UGA compared to Miami...

[DC Dog Nuts]

I live in in an area where it's Clemson, UGA, and South Carolina talk most of the year.

Fans of these schools as well as radio guys around here keep saying that Richt will struggle to win like he did at UGA (basically 10 wins per season), and point to his record vs. the ACC 19-4 at UGA was because he had more talent at UGA than he will at Miami, and that winning success vs. ACC won't translate over.

I also see this narrative with some national guys I think too.

I think the numbers in my original post point to Richt is going to have just as much talent on hand at Miami, and possibly more.

Those people are baboons if they think Richt won't have access to equal or better talent at UM than he did at UGA. They're all SEC brainwashed dopes in that neck of the backwoods.

Yup, those guys are the reason I am glad I live in a real city.

Right. Miami isn't some hothead of college football knowledge. Most of Miami's fans have no idea of college football outside the Canes. SEC fans might be pompous azzholes, but they are a sht ton more knowledgeable about college football than Miami fans, and ACC fans in general.

 

[bshaw28]

I think recruits from the state of Georgia, in general, are overrated. They're consistently highly rated, but don't consistently produce IMO. FL obviously has more talent, but the gap in talent between GA and FL is bigger than most people probably think.

Richt's best players were mostly out of state - Stafford, Gurley, Moreno, AJ Green

He did a great job of locking up Georgia players. You have to lock up your backyard, and he did that. Problem is, his backyard wasn't as good as billed.

My one knock on his recruiting at Georgia is he should have identified that, and been more aggressive in recruiting other talent rich SEC regions like Alabama, Louisiana, and Florida.

So if he locks up South Florida like he did Georgia, and adds 2-3 National recruits in each class, we should be contending for NC's again.

Try again the state of ga has produced the most sec talent by far in the past 10 years even more so than Florida. Uga may have not always landed the best from ga but they got a lot of them.

I respectfully disagree.

In the last 10 years there's been 8 SEC players of the year, and 5 were from Florida. Tebow (twice), Trent Richardson, Tre Mason, Amari Cooper, Derrick Henry.

GA produces a large numbers of players, but not a lot of real difference makers. GA players talent level falls well short of FL.

What's a little concerning is the most recently talented NFL players from GA didn't play at UGA - Newton, Megatron, Eric Berry, Demaryius Thomas.

IMO - when you look at NFL players from GA who played at GA, there's good players like Thomas Davis and Justin Houston, it's but overall the talent from GA is underwhelming. So I think Richt will have much more talent to work with in FL.

 

[DC Dog Nuts]

I think recruits from the state of Georgia, in general, are overrated. They're consistently highly rated, but don't consistently produce IMO. FL obviously has more talent, but the gap in talent between GA and FL is bigger than most people probably think.

Richt's best players were mostly out of state - Stafford, Gurley, Moreno, AJ Green

He did a great job of locking up Georgia players. You have to lock up your backyard, and he did that. Problem is, his backyard wasn't as good as billed.

My one knock on his recruiting at Georgia is he should have identified that, and been more aggressive in recruiting other talent rich SEC regions like Alabama, Louisiana, and Florida.

So if he locks up South Florida like he did Georgia, and adds 2-3 National recruits in each class, we should be contending for NC's again.

Try again the state of ga has produced the most sec talent by far in the past 10 years even more so than Florida. Uga may have not always landed the best from ga but they got a lot of them.

I respectfully disagree.

In the last 10 years there's been 8 SEC players of the year, and 5 were from Florida. Tebow (twice), Trent Richardson, Tre Mason, Amari Cooper, Derrick Henry.

GA produces a large numbers of players, but not a lot of real difference makers. GA players talent level falls well short of FL.

What's a little concerning is the most recently talented NFL players from GA didn't play at UGA - Newton, Megatron, Eric Berry, Demaryius Thomas.

IMO - when you look at NFL players from GA who played at GA, there's good players like Thomas Davis and Justin Houston, it's but overall the talent from GA is underwhelming. So I think Richt will have much more talent to work with in FL.

You completely whiffed on his point.

 

[Calinative]

While at Georgia, Richt clearly had more talented teams than we did here. Without a doubt.
Here, If Richt recruits well, he will have more talented teams than he ever had at Georgia. The key to the recruiting imo will be him finding the QBs. While at Georgia he consistently got some great QBs, if he can do that here, there will be no question he will be able to get better talent than while at Georgia.

 

[The Franchise]

I live in in an area where it's Clemson, UGA, and South Carolina talk most of the year.

Fans of these schools as well as radio guys around here keep saying that Richt will struggle to win like he did at UGA (basically 10 wins per season), and point to his record vs. the ACC 19-4 at UGA was because he had more talent at UGA than he will at Miami, and that winning success vs. ACC won't translate over.

I also see this narrative with some national guys I think too.

I think the numbers in my original post point to Richt is going to have just as much talent on hand at Miami, and possibly more.

Those people are baboons if they think Richt won't have access to equal or better talent at UM than he did at UGA. They're all SEC brainwashed dopes in that neck of the backwoods.

Yup, those guys are the reason I am glad I live in a real city.

Right. Miami isn't some hothead of college football knowledge. Most of Miami's fans have no idea of college football outside the Canes. SEC fans might be pompous azzholes, but they are a sht ton more knowledgeable about college football than Miami fans, and ACC fans in general.

Anyone who calls himself an "SEC fan" is automatically a dork. There's no team called "SEC."

 

[The Franchise]

While at Georgia, Richt clearly had more talented teams than we did here. Without a doubt.

Without a doubt? Even though the dude earlier in this thread showed you the NFL draft numbers during Richt's time at UGA compared to the draft numbers under mostly **** coaches at UM during that same time frame?

 

[Dwinstitles]

If he wins ten a year kids will stay home period

 

[Calinative]

While at Georgia, Richt clearly had more talented teams than we did here. Without a doubt.

Without a doubt? Even though the dude earlier in this thread showed you the NFL draft numbers during Richt's time at UGA compared to the draft numbers under mostly **** coaches at UM during that same time frame?

Miami had 45 picks from 2000-2005 while Georgia had 37.
Then Georgia had 55 picks from 2005-2015 while Miami had 48.
So under Mark Richt Georgia went from having 20% Fewer Picks to 15% More Picks than Miami.
Also, from 2009-2015 Miami only had 2 1st round picks, while Georgia had 6.

Regardless how ****** the coaches were here, Mark Richt had more talent. That is definitively proven by the stats. Now if we had good coaches who could develop talent better, would Richt have had clearly better teams than we did? No. But the fact is Richt had better teams than Miami did while he was at Georgia (well at least recently because no one can compete with the early 2000's teams).
Now the fact Miami still produced so much talent goes to show that even with average recruiting and below average coaching, we produce talent. So add the fact that this coaching staff is actually good at recruiting and we have some good-great talent developers like coach Kool, and I don't see any way we don't surpass the talent he had while at Georgia.

 

[FG305]

He did a great job of locking up Georgia players. You have to lock up your backyard, and he did that.

BS....Number of top-10 Georgia players (per 247) that Richt signed his last 6 years at UGA:

2010- 3 out of 10
2011- 5 out of 10
2012- 3 out of 10
2013- 2 out of 10
2014- 3 out of 10
2015- 3 out of 10

Total- 19 out of 60

 

[brock]

He did a great job of locking up Georgia players. You have to lock up your backyard, and he did that.

BS....Number of top-10 Georgia players (per 247) that Richt signed his last 6 years at UGA:

2010- 3 out of 10
2011- 5 out of 10
2012- 3 out of 10
2013- 2 out of 10
2014- 3 out of 10
2015- 3 out of 10

Total- 19 out of 60

Considering ga is the main recruiting base of the sec that's not surprising at all. Look at how many sec schools are close in proximity to ga. **** auburn is closer to some recruits than uga is In some parts of ga. This is their main recruiting ground and a lot of sec schools get a bunch of kids from here because like Florida it's a very talented state.

 

[DC Dog Nuts]

While at Georgia, Richt clearly had more talented teams than we did here. Without a doubt.

Without a doubt? Even though the dude earlier in this thread showed you the NFL draft numbers during Richt's time at UGA compared to the draft numbers under mostly **** coaches at UM during that same time frame?

Miami had 45 picks from 2000-2005 while Georgia had 37.
Then Georgia had 55 picks from 2005-2015 while Miami had 48.
So under Mark Richt Georgia went from having 20% Fewer Picks to 15% More Picks than Miami.
Also, from 2009-2015 Miami only had 2 1st round picks, while Georgia had 6.

Regardless how ****ty the coaches were here, Mark Richt had more talent. That is definitively proven by the stats. Now if we had good coaches who could develop talent better, would Richt have had clearly better teams than we did? No. But the fact is Richt had better teams than Miami did while he was at Georgia (well at least recently because no one can compete with the early 2000's teams).
Now the fact Miami still produced so much talent goes to show that even with average recruiting and below average coaching, we produce talent. So add the fact that this coaching staff is actually good at recruiting and we have some good-great talent developers like coach Kool, and I don't see any way we don't surpass the talent he had while at Georgia.

Georgia probably had much better depth across the board. Miami was weak where it counted the most.

 

[Pearson704]

I hear a common misconception that Richt had more talent at UGA than he will at Miami.

I trotted out a fact that Richt was 19-4 vs. ACC teams while at UGA, in which fans of ACC teams say well he had more talent at UGA than he will at Miami.

I also hear radio guys bring up the talent argument UGA vs. Miami also.

Facts from 2006-2015 NFL draft spanned 10 years.

UGA-55 players drafted/6 first rounders
Miami-48 players drafted/7 first rounders

Now if you want to include Richt's entire UGA coaching career to the same time span at Miami.

Miami-80 players drafted/23 first rounders
UGA-76 players drafted/12 first rounders

Now don't get me wrong over the past 10 years UGA has had more depth, slightly more talent. It's not some HUGE gap like some are putting on.

It's very similiar actually.

He watched film the first several days after the hire and he said he just "smiled".. He has plenty of talent here if not depth and he knows that.

 

[Pearson704]

While at Georgia, Richt clearly had more talented teams than we did here. Without a doubt.

Without a doubt? Even though the dude earlier in this thread showed you the NFL draft numbers during Richt's time at UGA compared to the draft numbers under mostly **** coaches at UM during that same time frame?

Miami had 45 picks from 2000-2005 while Georgia had 37.
Then Georgia had 55 picks from 2005-2015 while Miami had 48.
So under Mark Richt Georgia went from having 20% Fewer Picks to 15% More Picks than Miami.
Also, from 2009-2015 Miami only had 2 1st round picks, while Georgia had 6.

Regardless how ****ty the coaches were here, Mark Richt had more talent. That is definitively proven by the stats. Now if we had good coaches who could develop talent better, would Richt have had clearly better teams than we did? No. But the fact is Richt had better teams than Miami did while he was at Georgia (well at least recently because no one can compete with the early 2000's teams).
Now the fact Miami still produced so much talent goes to show that even with average recruiting and below average coaching, we produce talent. So add the fact that this coaching staff is actually good at recruiting and we have some good-great talent developers like coach Kool, and I don't see any way we don't surpass the talent he had while at Georgia.

:q3XKXeX:

I don't think the stats show he had more talent. Why don't you count the undrafted canes like shields who became productive players? I think it shows he did well with what he had. Says nothing about the level of talent..

 

[Calinative]

While at Georgia, Richt clearly had more talented teams than we did here. Without a doubt.

Without a doubt? Even though the dude earlier in this thread showed you the NFL draft numbers during Richt's time at UGA compared to the draft numbers under mostly **** coaches at UM during that same time frame?

Miami had 45 picks from 2000-2005 while Georgia had 37.
Then Georgia had 55 picks from 2005-2015 while Miami had 48.
So under Mark Richt Georgia went from having 20% Fewer Picks to 15% More Picks than Miami.
Also, from 2009-2015 Miami only had 2 1st round picks, while Georgia had 6.

Regardless how ****ty the coaches were here, Mark Richt had more talent. That is definitively proven by the stats. Now if we had good coaches who could develop talent better, would Richt have had clearly better teams than we did? No. But the fact is Richt had better teams than Miami did while he was at Georgia (well at least recently because no one can compete with the early 2000's teams).
Now the fact Miami still produced so much talent goes to show that even with average recruiting and below average coaching, we produce talent. So add the fact that this coaching staff is actually good at recruiting and we have some good-great talent developers like coach Kool, and I don't see any way we don't surpass the talent he had while at Georgia.

:q3XKXeX:

I don't think the stats show he had more talent. Why don't you count the undrafted canes like shields who became productive players? I think it shows he did well with what he had. Says nothing about the level of talent..

Even if we count Hurns and Shields as drafted players because they were succesful, you'd need to do the same with any undrafted player Georgia has.
How does number of draft picks say nothing about the level of talent? Isn't it a statistic that Georgia produced the most NFL players under Richt or something like that?
What else would you like to use to compare talent between 2 teams? W/L record? no, because that would clearly mean Georgia is more talented, and everyone would just use the excuse that we had bad coaches. What else do you suggest we use to show the talent level because this seems pretty good to me.

This really isn't arguable. Georgia has had more talent recently than we have. It's not really close. Will they continue getting elite players without Richt? IDK. Will Richt recruit more talented teams here than he did at UGA? Almost without a doubt.

 

[Dirty Sprite]

Anybody who thinks UGa has had more talent than Miami is delusional.

 

[TheEye]

I believe that if Miami had been averaging 9.6 wins per season for the last decade, we wouldn't lose so many recruits to Arkansas, Ole Miss, Notre Dame and other schools that don't usually recruit Miami so well.