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Clemson recruiting ranking average the last 5 years:
11.8
Alabama: 1.8 (not a typo)

Do stars matter? They help a lot! And 11.8 isn’t a bad average but Clemson has beat a team ranked 10 spots higher on average twice in the last 4 years including today’s blowout. There’s much more to it than stars. Development, attitude, and culture play just as key a role if not even more.
 
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moshated305 said:
Check Clemson's star average tho. They generally don't oversign like Bama does but they get a lot of high end talent. They had a years of 14 and 17 signees. Bama hits at least 25 every year.
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this^^ 2017 for example they finished 16th which weighs them down big time. but average recruit rating was over 0.92 which is solidly 4* top to bottom
 
Cuban-Cane said:
Clemson recruiting ranking average the last 5 years:
11.8
Alabama: 1.8 (not a typo)

Do stars matter? They help a lot! And 11.8 isn’t a bad average but Clemson has beat a team ranked 10 spots higher on average twice in the last 4 years including today’s blowout. There’s much more to it than stars. Development, attitude, and culture play just as key a role if not even more.
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It's about averages. Clemson doesn't sign a lot of players so the ranking is lower, but they get the best of the best. I like Dabo's recruiting strategy. Seems like a lot of evaluating and getting 'your guy'.
 
Cuban-Cane said:
Clemson recruiting ranking average the last 5 years:
11.8
Alabama: 1.8 (not a typo)

Do stars matter? They help a lot! And 11.8 isn’t a bad average but Clemson has beat a team ranked 10 spots higher on average twice in the last 4 years including today’s blowout. There’s much more to it than stars. Development, attitude, and culture play just as key a role if not even more.
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I think Dabo sides more with a "quality over quantity" approach, and it's continuing to pay off.
 
They got crushed in the playoff last year by the same team.

The difference? A generational QB. Miami's problem, more than any other, is they're playing kids at QB who kids like Tua and Trevor Lawrence would've beaten out in 9th grade. Priority #1 for Miami: Find a competent QB. You'll all be shocked by how many of your other problems go away if/when that happens.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
They got crushed in the playoff last year by the same team.

The difference? A generational QB. Miami's problem, more than any other, is they're playing kids at QB who kids like Tua and Trevor Lawrence would've beaten out in 9th grade. Priority #1 for Miami: Find a competent QB. You'll all be shocked by how many of your other problems go away if/when that happens.
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Need to get Williams on the field to see what we have. I would imagine he’s pretty enthused with a new staff and the opportunity to get a fair shot.
 
Cuban-Cane said:
Clemson recruiting ranking average the last 5 years:
11.8
Alabama: 1.8 (not a typo)

Do stars matter? They help a lot! And 11.8 isn’t a bad average but Clemson has beat a team ranked 10 spots higher on average twice in the last 4 years including today’s blowout. There’s much more to it than stars. Development, attitude, and culture play just as key a role if not even more.
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Stars matter a lot. So do the other things u mention.

One thing tho that u forget is saban oversigns which artificially inflates his ranking, while Dabo does not.
 
If you finish in the top 15 every year you should be competing for titles. It’s been said for many years around here. Recruting while not the best hasn’t been the biggest problem. Coaching and develop has. We landed more than enough quality kids to be in the playoffs at least once and to win our division every year.

Ppl are saying that Bama has Tua and Clemson TL
Well you know who wasn’t that far behind Tua in the rankings, N Kosi Perry. You know who got rave reviews after a week of competition between him and TL, Jarren Williams. With the Applewhite Hire it looks like we’ll finally be running a system that is friendly that will our QBs to make plays and put up numbers.
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
They got crushed in the playoff last year by the same team.

The difference? A generational QB. Miami's problem, more than any other, is they're playing kids at QB who kids like Tua and Trevor Lawrence would've beaten out in 9th grade. Priority #1 for Miami: Find a competent QB. You'll all be shocked by how many of your other problems go away if/when that happens.
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Bingo, Tua or TL would have made Richt look like an offensive genius. QB solves half your team's problems
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
They got crushed in the playoff last year by the same team.

The difference? A generational QB. Miami's problem, more than any other, is they're playing kids at QB who kids like Tua and Trevor Lawrence would've beaten out in 9th grade. Priority #1 for Miami: Find a competent QB. You'll all be shocked by how many of your other problems go away if/when that happens.
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The way our recruiting has been, it's hard for me to believe we'll actually ever be able to recruit a QB like that.
 
mirvin88 said:
It's about averages. Clemson doesn't sign a lot of players so the ranking is lower, but they get the best of the best. I like Dabo's recruiting strategy. Seems like a lot of evaluating and getting 'your guy'.
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probably a great way to sell the program to some of the big egos. they're not just another name that they throw a scholarship at. if you get an offer from dabo, they want you. if not, they are good enough to not worry about finding someone to take your spot this year.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
They got crushed in the playoff last year by the same team.

The difference? A generational QB. Miami's problem, more than any other, is they're playing kids at QB who kids like Tua and Trevor Lawrence would've beaten out in 9th grade. Priority #1 for Miami: Find a competent QB. You'll all be shocked by how many of your other problems go away if/when that happens.
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This right here is going to kill us if they can't get it right next year. I really hope they have a competent QB coach that only focus is to get these guys ready to play!! We can only dream of a Trevor Lawrence on this team!!
 
The premise of this thread is seriously flawed. There isn't a program in the country that proves how much stars matter more than Clemson. Class ratings are inflated by quantity, rewarding programs that backload their classes with three-star talent. It's about blue-chip ratio more than anything.

Clemson signed a total of just 31 players in the last 2 classes. 7 of them were five-star recruits. 15 of them were four-star recruits. 22-of-31 were blue chippers. Not only do they land their top targets, but they evaluate exceptionally well at the four-star level. Knowing they won't oversign, they make the most of their slots. Etienne is a prime example of that as a low four-star recruit they coveted over every other RB in that class.

The average star rating in their classes has exceeded 90 in 247's composite for 3 straight years. They've won titles with 2 different transcendental QBs. They dominate recruiting in the trenches and at WR. Their premier players are more talented than anyone they line up against at the most important positions on the field, which makes all the difference.
 
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Do stars help? Yes, but we're also assuming that the recruiting "experts" are experts. If they're that good at evaluating talent they'd be on someone'e coaching staff or be the head coach himself. Butch recruited guys like Ed Reed who weren't highly rated. Our staff found McKinnie in the band.
 
moshated305 said:
Check Clemson's star average tho. They generally don't oversign like Bama does but they get a lot of high end talent. They had a years of 14 and 17 signees. Bama hits at least 25 every year.
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facts people arent looking at there classes, they had a small class a few years ago and like 4 players were number 1 at there positions in HS
 
Umbra said:
The way our recruiting has been, it's hard for me to believe we'll actually ever be able to recruit a QB like that.
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The #3 QB in the state Georgia behind only Lawrence and fields must doesn’t exist on our roster apparently... don’t be a fan later, telling you that kid can play
 
Cuban-Cane said:
Clemson recruiting ranking average the last 5 years:
11.8
Alabama: 1.8 (not a typo)

Do stars matter? They help a lot! And 11.8 isn’t a bad average but Clemson has beat a team ranked 10 spots higher on average twice in the last 4 years including today’s blowout. There’s much more to it than stars. Development, attitude, and culture play just as key a role if not even more.
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Clemson doesn't win that game without signing the #1 player in the nation at quarterback last year.

Don't believe me? See last year's Playoff game vs Alabama.
 
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