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For all the slug riders that think the post is off, the same offense you saw has Utah 10-2 on the season and gave them a chance to play in their conference championship for a change to get in the CFB playoffs with their OC being in year 1. And don't come with that PAC12 is weak, they beat who ever lined up in front of them 10 out 12 and thats something we were only able to accomplish 6 of 12 times this year. Thats exactly where we want to be.

Sometimes its just not your night, Huntley was off and Kayvon Thibodeaux was a problem all night, which is what a 5 star de is suppose to do.

You win some you lose some but the bottom line remains the same, they gave themselves a chance. And their offense and OC was good enough all year along with their defense of course to put them in position. One game don't overshadow a body work. Some of you'll are just more interested in child's play and making snarky remarks, instead of watching and understanding football.
 
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cleverjdub said:
Watch Utah's offense and you will see what a multiple offense should look like. They run pro and spread concepts under center and in the Shotgun. And by the way they are a top 5 team with their key offensive players from Florida and somehow they win with a multi formation offense. hmmm
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um...um....umm...

they got crushed.
 
cleverjdub said:
For all the slug riders that think the post is off, the same offense you saw has Utah 10-2 on the season and gave them a chance to play in their conference championship for a change to get in the CFB playoffs. And don't come with that PAC12 is weak, they beat who ever lined up in front of them 10 out 12 and thats something we were only able to accomplish 6 of 12 times this year. Thats exactly where we want to be.

Sometimes its just not your night, Huntley was off and Kayvon Thibodeaux was a problem all night, which is what a 5 star de is suppose to do.

You win some you lose some but the bottom line remains the same, they gave themselves a chance. And their offense and OC was good enough all year along with their defense of course to put them in position. One game don't overshadow a body work. Some of you'll are just more interested in child's play and making snarky remarks, instead of watching and understanding football.
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They also have a senior quarterback and a senior star running back. One year ago they lost five games and put up three points against Washington. You people have to stop overreacting to one season.

Two years ago......with Huntley and Moss as sophomores.......they went 7-6. So let's pump the brakes on praising the system.
 
Empirical Cane said:
um...um....umm...

they got crushed.
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See my last post above. Oregon also has 2 losses on the season, but you probably are one of the ones who are raving about them after last night. So let me get this right if the a team like Oregon wins you want their OC and want to run things similar to them, but when they don't they trash and you want a new OC the next week. Thats how most of you'll operate.
 
Utah’s offense isn’t that good this year, and this is the peak payoff year for the offense.

They went through years of bad offense to get to this year of experienced “good” offense. The offensive production they had this year just wasn’t worth it.

Which is the point the more enlightened of us made from Day 1 in the Enos hire threads. Offenses like these require way too much talent and just have very low floors on a year to year basis because they are so difficult to run, and the payoff for the difficult years just isn’t worth it.

We’d all love to be 2014 Arkansas (or whenever it was) on offense every year. But it’s not worth *trying* to be 2014 Arkansas on offense every year.
 
SonsofSoul said:
True. Then let’s see how Oregon does if they also had to play Bama, LSU, UGA, UF, TexasA&M instead of the shytshow that is the PAC12. My objective guess is they’d have several L’s.
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Who has to play all those teams in the same year?
 
PanamaCityCanes said:
They also have a senior quarterback and a senior star running back. One year ago they lost five games and put up three points against Washington. You people have to stop overreacting to one season.

Two years ago......with Huntley and Moss as sophomores.......they went 7-6. So let's pump the brakes on praising the system.
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You cherry picking one season and Andy Ludwig wasn't even the OC then smh. He was at Vandy read the context of the post. You'll take one part and run with it just like you'll do with one game. Take you own advice and don't overreact to one game. A season is a body of work there is a difference.

See Joe Brady, Mike Locksley, Lincoln Riley (only an OC for two years at Oklahoma before he became the HC and I bet most don't even know that).
 
mossmadness said:
Utah’s offense isn’t that good this year, and this is the peak payoff year for the offense.

They went through years of bad offense to get to this year of experienced “good” offense. The offensive production they had this year just wasn’t worth it.

Which is the point the more enlightened of us made from Day 1 in the Enos hire threads. Offenses like these require way too much talent and just have very low floors on a year to year basis because they are so difficult to run, and the payoff for the difficult years just isn’t worth it.

We’d all love to be 2014 Arkansas (or whenever it was) on offense every year. But it’s not worth *trying* to be 2014 Arkansas on offense every year.
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The point of the post wasn't to say we don't need go spread, it is to say they you can win being multiple when you know what you are doing and have a feel, and rhythm on when and how to call plays. 10-2 with a chance to get in the playoffs say that it worked for them and again this is Ludwig's 1st year as an OC there. Proves that you can win in year one with a similar multiple offense. Maybe Enos failed the offense and the offense didn't fail him?
 
cleverjdub said:
You cherry picking one season and Andy Ludwig wasn't even the OC then smh. He was at Vandy read the context of the post. You'll take one part and run with it just like you'll do with one game. Take you own advice and don't overreact to one game. A season is a body of work there is a difference.

See Joe Brady, Mike Locksley, Lincoln Riley (only an OC for two years at Oklahoma before he became the HC and I bet most don't even know that).
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Uh, what? I just pointed out that YOU cherry picked one season. The same two offensive leaders went from 6 losses to 5 losses to 2 losses. That is due to one thing: experience. This will be proven when Utah is back to five losses next year with new skill guys.
 
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PanamaCityCanes said:
Uh, what? I just pointed out that YOU cherry picked one season. The same two offensive leaders went from 6 losses to 5 losses to 2 losses. That is due to one thing: experience. This will be proven when Utah is back to five losses next year with new skill guys.
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No what I did is point out another OC in year 1 with a program who is running a multiple offense and winning; playing in their conference championship game with a chance to make the CFP.

Who would have thought that a team would be winning at high level with a similar setup to us in year 1. hmm
 
cleverjdub said:
See my last post above. Oregon also has 2 losses on the season, but you probably are one of the ones who are raving about them after last night. So let me get this right if the a team like Oregon wins you want their OC and want to run things similar to them, but when they don't they trash and you want a new OC the next week. Thats how most of you'll operate.
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Nephew...muppet...

You should probably peruse my posting history before ascribing what I say or don't say.

The answer to Miami's woes are very simple: hire the right football-minded AD (James has done a good job in other sports and fund raising) snd then let them go find the right football HC.

Not an easy task, but anything is better than the James/Diaz combo Miami has now.

As far as O and S schemes go, its laughable the lionization that goes on with the "flavor of the month". There are far more "he killed it [insert program], then only to then suck at [insert program].

The current poster child for this is Fuente...while his inverse is Broncee Bronc.

Ask Belichek how the "newest" scheme works out against his teams.

Want consistent Ws? Get a coach who can consistently recruit and game plan with Blocking and Tackling 101 plans.

The rest is just flash.
 
cleverjdub said:
No what I did is point out another OC in year 1 with a program who is running a multiple offense and winning; playing in their conference championship game with a chance to make the CFP.

Who would have thought that a team would be winning at high level with a similar setup to us in year 1. hmm
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Yeah, who would have thought that senior leadership would make a difference. Get back to me next November.
 
Empirical Cane said:
Nephew...muppet...

You should probably peruse my posting history before ascribing what I say or don't say.

The answer to Miami's woes are very simple: hire the right football-minded AD (James has done a good job in other sports and fund raising) snd then let them go find the right football HC.

Not an easy task, but anything is better than the James/Diaz combo Miami has now.

As far as O and S schemes go, its laughable the lionization that goes on with the "flavor of the month". There are far more "he killed it [insert program], then only to then suck at [insert program].

The current poster child for this is Fuente...while his inverse is Broncee Bronc.
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No need for me to go look at anything. You responded to a post I made without looking at all that I have said, so who needs to pursue posting history?

You right its simple, but there are multiple solutions to the problem and what you suggested could very well be one.

Manny also could be the guy and succeed if he makes the change and get an OC who understands the art of feel, rhythm and timing of play calling regardless of the system.
 
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