Opinion on ND after watching 2 condensed games

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For reference: I watched some UGA highlights and Their USC & NC State games

Their defense would make Mark D’Nofrio proud. They rarely rush more than 4 give a ton of cushion and on 3rd downs they will use a 3 man rush. They like to crowd the line on obvious passing situations and most defenders will bail. In the games I watched the Olines picked it up well but it did rattle USC QB a couple of times he paniced when it was only a 3 man rush. Rosiers has got to be patient and take the underneath throws. Our playmakers have to make plays this week in space there will be plenty of it. This is not an insult to ND and what they’ve accomplished after watching them this is the type of team Al Golden was trying to build. They rely heavily on their opponent to beat themselves and To make uncharacteristic mistakes. For example USC they muffed a punt on their 5. Had a Missed chip shot FG and had costly ints and fumbles from their QB. In the NcState game NCSt had 11 penalities at half time. They had 15 total in their previous 3 games. That game was blown open at 21-14 when Finnly threw his first pick of the season and it was returned for an INT. Now if you watch the full highlight of that play ND’s NT appears to clearly be offsides and is not flagged for it. The NcState Oline doesn’t move the center snaps it their entire offense believes it a free play and it’s not. Needless to say limiting mistakes are going to be key. I see a defense that more opportunistic than elite.

Now on to the offense.
Where they excel their RB doesn’t need a big hole. He does a good job of squeezing threw small alleys. He will keep his feet moving after first contact. They rely heavily on misdirection. Assignment football is key. everyone has got to know their man and not fall asleep becuase they think they are on the backside of the play. Vs NC State they were a lot more vanilla. Vs USC you could tell the entire playbook was open they were running double screens and a lot of 2 lineman pulling. whatever they could to keep them off balance. I expect the same pull out all the stops approach this week.

Their QB is not Newton/Tebow/Jackson he will make plays when the Dline is not disciplined. He presses to make things happen in the run game. He has a tendency to lose his own footing when trying to juke defenders as he approaches the LOS and into the second level. He’s most dangerous running on designed pass plays when he can pickup 5-7 yards before he sees a defender. He is not a physical guy. Early in the game he will try to run over a DB to send a message and he will leave himself open to kill shots as a runner trying to pick up yards. He is a novice passer everything is a deep fade or crosser. In the games I watched he got a ton of time back there. In the NC State game there were plays when he had time but got impatient and took off even with great protection. You get the sense that he feeds into the “Star Qb” hype and he will hold the ball to make a play. Our blitz will confuse him but we have to make sure it’s not on one of their double screens. There was an intresting play in the USC game where USC is in clearly bringing the heat. He goes to the line, checks out of the play and still holds the ball allowing the free rusher to get to him.

A note on physicality. I don’t see it. I watched their Oline specifically looking for pancake blocks, rag dolling LBs, crushing DBs, Playing threw and beyond the whistle, just general nastiness. And honestly I didn’t see it. They are a very very good group who execute their assignments effectily but when I think of a physical oline Group i wouldn’t classify them as that.

Point being is this. They are a good football team. Not an overly dominate team and they need to play with a 2 score lead. That is when they get aggressive. We cannot beat ourselves and we must avoid critical errors. Their offense and defense is not designed for them to win 1 v 1 battles (aside from deep fades). It’s designed for their oppoenent to make a mistake and allow their guys to make easy plays.
 
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Their OL doesn’t have to pancake people to be good.... They have likely two 1st round picks on the left side of their OL alone. They like to run to that side behind those two. They’re about as physical OL as you will find.
 
The left side in particular are very good on combo blocks and then getting to the 2nd level and chipping to the linebacker
 
Good analysis. I totally agree on the Al Golden defense. They gave up almost 600 yards to Wake so we can move the ball. Can we put it in the end zone.

If we can slow their run game down, we will win. Wimbush is due for some freshman mistakes.
 
Nice write up. I’d actually prefer if they were a bit more aggressive on defense. Rosier’s strength is not reading coverage when the defense drops 8. That could lead to bad decisions.
 
Their OL doesn’t have to pancake people to be good.... They have likely two 1st round picks on the left side of their OL alone. They like to run to that side behind those two. They’re about as physical OL as you will find.

I agree that they are very very good. I’m not taking anything away from them. It will be a huge challenge this week. But when I think of physical I envision a running attack closer to Bama’s where they want to punish the defensers.
 
Nice write up. I’d actually prefer if they were a bit more aggressive on defense. Rosier’s strength is not reading coverage when the defense drops 8. That could lead to bad decisions.

which is why you are seeing a bit more 5 wide formations to simplify Rosier's reads. I think we continue to employ this to force the defense's hand.
 
Nice write up. I’d actually prefer if they were a bit more aggressive on defense. Rosier’s strength is not reading coverage when the defense drops 8. That could lead to bad decisions.

I agree with you. It appears Notre Dame runs a lot of quarters and cover 3 coverage, so they try to will negate the deep throw. Rosier has had problems with throwing over the middle too.
 
Another game for Berrios, CH23 and our RBs to do damage in the middle of the field. Our skill guys should have a good day against their back 7.

I have a feeling Rosier will take his performance to heart and only throw a maximum of 1 pick and lead us to victory
 
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Nice write up. I’d actually prefer if they were a bit more aggressive on defense. Rosier’s strength is not reading coverage when the defense drops 8. That could lead to bad decisions.

which is why you are seeing a bit more 5 wide formations to simplify Rosier's reads. I think we continue to employ this to force the defense's hand.

While having 5 wides simplifies his reads, they will still drop 8 which leaves 3 defenders unaccounted for - those are the problem ones.
 
Nice write up. I’d actually prefer if they were a bit more aggressive on defense. Rosier’s strength is not reading coverage when the defense drops 8. That could lead to bad decisions.

which is why you are seeing a bit more 5 wide formations to simplify Rosier's reads. I think we continue to employ this to force the defense's hand.

While having 5 wides simplifies his reads, they will still drop 8 which leaves 3 defenders unaccounted for - those are the problem ones.

That's like 5 free yards for #12 on the ground. We can counter it.
 
Said it in another thread. They run a lot of zone on D. barely blitz but they sit on curls and comeback routes something we don't run often. They haven't been tested deep that often and it basically a sample in our offense to take some shots deep. What concerns me is the QB running on pass plays, the trench play especially by our O-line vs their D-line, and Rosier.
 
Their OL doesn’t have to pancake people to be good.... They have likely two 1st round picks on the left side of their OL alone. They like to run to that side behind those two. They’re about as physical OL as you will find.

I agree that they are very very good. I’m not taking anything away from them. It will be a huge challenge this week. But when I think of physical I envision a running attack closer to Bama’s where they want to punish the defensers.

The UGA game was the second game of the season, and their QB's second start. They lost by 1 point to the #1 team in the country, and look at UGA's run totals for their own offense that game - ND played them very well defensively. Every other team, ND has basically mowed down, with exception of Wake last week - and that was 34-10 at one point, without their best offensive player seeing more than 5 snaps.

I'm getting a sense of overconfidence on this board about ND. Can we beat them? Absolutely. But not if we play like we did against UNC (a common opponent who the Irish beat by 3 scores in the rain) or Syracuse. That's for **** sure.
 
Nice write up. I’d actually prefer if they were a bit more aggressive on defense. Rosier’s strength is not reading coverage when the defense drops 8. That could lead to bad decisions.

which is why you are seeing a bit more 5 wide formations to simplify Rosier's reads. I think we continue to employ this to force the defense's hand.

While having 5 wides simplifies his reads, they will still drop 8 which leaves 3 defenders unaccounted for - those are the problem ones.

That's like 5 free yards for #12 on the ground. We can counter it.

Yep, definitely but he will have to throw into coverage at some points
 
Good analysis. I totally agree on the Al Golden defense. They gave up almost 600 yards to Wake so we can move the ball. Can we put it in the end zone.

If we can slow their run game down, we will win. Wimbush is due for some freshman mistakes.

I think their QB is a junior, but first year starter. He has looked bad at times through the air, but he also threw for 280 yards against Wake.
 
Interested to see which team is more physical.

We looked like me compared to boys out there against VT

Felder and them putting in work
 
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Nice write up. I’d actually prefer if they were a bit more aggressive on defense. Rosier’s strength is not reading coverage when the defense drops 8. That could lead to bad decisions.

which is why you are seeing a bit more 5 wide formations to simplify Rosier's reads. I think we continue to employ this to force the defense's hand.

While having 5 wides simplifies his reads, they will still drop 8 which leaves 3 defenders unaccounted for - those are the problem ones.

That's like 5 free yards for #12 on the ground. We can counter it.

Yep, definitely but he will have to throw into coverage at some points

I also see us goin 5 wide like we did against syracuse. Richt said the reason we did it was to spread them out to identify the blitz, nd even tho they usually bring 4 do a good job of disguising that 4th rusher might help oline if u have to tip your hand while spread out.

Also nd seems to be most opportunistic team in America, not only do they cause turnovers they immediately turn them into touchdowns. Wether pick 6 or on offense. They have done it to mich st. USC, ncst, etc. It is important more than any other game that our qb take care of ball.. we can't survive 3 pick games. Their d sits back and waits for mistakes
 
Their OL doesn’t have to pancake people to be good.... They have likely two 1st round picks on the left side of their OL alone. They like to run to that side behind those two. They’re about as physical OL as you will find.

I agree that they are very very good. I’m not taking anything away from them. It will be a huge challenge this week. But when I think of physical I envision a running attack closer to Bama’s where they want to punish the defensers.

The UGA game was the second game of the season, and their QB's second start. They lost by 1 point to the #1 team in the country, and look at UGA's run totals for their own offense that game - ND played them very well defensively. Every other team, ND has basically mowed down, with exception of Wake last week - and that was 34-10 at one point, without their best offensive player seeing more than 5 snaps.

I'm getting a sense of overconfidence on this board about ND. Can we beat them? Absolutely. But not if we play like we did against UNC (a common opponent who the Irish beat by 3 scores in the rain) or Syracuse. That's for **** sure.

Not over confident. Totally the opposite. The scores in their games and our games are misleading. We’ve dominate most teams every where except the score board. The difference is they’ve turned those same mistakes into points. There is a lot of hype about them “mowing” teams down and thats what I was seeking to confirm. You use the UGA argument but what about their Freshman QB in his first road start?

Are they tough to defend in the redzone? yes they have a legit dual threat QB and very good Oline. Their option attack will put pressure on our defense. But I will say this again go watch their QB he is no Lamar Jackson back there. His big plays come from design passes where the Dline looses contain and the 2nd Level is vacated. Does that mean he won’t make Big plays vs us on designed runs? No, it doesn’t. They are human and they do what they do extremely well but it’s very one dimensional. We need to challenge them to make plays on their own not feed off mistakes.
 
I think we can beat them the way we finished off the Jackets. If they give cushions of space to Herndon or any of our WRS and RBs we should just be patient and take it.
Even if it means 3 straight bubble screens in a row. Be patient and take what the defense gives you. Get into a good rhythm and make them pay.
 
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