NCAA transfer roadblocks

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The first article states "they have recently created a rule allowing athletes who have played less than four games in a season to be able to transfer and play at their new school immediately." Is this true?

If so, by this logic, anyone who has taken a redshirt year (Tate Martell) should be eligible immediately.
 
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The first article states "they have recently created a rule allowing athletes who have played less than four games in a season to be able to transfer and play at their new school immediately." Is this true?

If so, by this logic, anyone who has taken a redshirt year (Tate Martell) should be eligible immediately.
*looks for tall building to jump off*
 
*looks for tall building to jump off*

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While those artilces are interesting, they are not entiely accurate. As noted in post #2 the new red-shirt rule says nothing about transfer eligability. It simply allows a player to not use up a year of actual eligibility by playing in 4 or less games in a year. Similarly, the restitution rule only hurts a school where it allows an ineligable player to play while the NCAA is attempting to appeal a judge's ruling that the NCAA was wrong to suspend the player. Under most state's law and federal law, where a temporary injunction is entered, the court has the power to have an expedited hearing on the actual merits so that neither side is harmed by delay. Still, the idea that the NCAA tries to play hardball is 100% accurate. But, lawyers representing players are being more aggressive themselves. Waivers are requested based upon racial attacks, because a university condoned or protected anti-female abuse. Waive the protected class flag and the NCAA may well back off simply because to be wrong would expose it to not only damages but public outrage. I predict that waivers will become more common as time goes by. Perhaps there will be a limit such as no in conference transfers or no following a coach transfer. But, to paraphrase Bob Dylan, times they are a-changing.
 
While those artilces are interesting, they are not entiely accurate. As noted in post #2 the new red-shirt rule says nothing about transfer eligability. It simply allows a player to not use up a year of actual eligibility by playing in 4 or less games in a year. Similarly, the restitution rule only hurts a school where it allows an ineligable player to play while the NCAA is attempting to appeal a judge's ruling that the NCAA was wrong to suspend the player. Under most state's law and federal law, where a temporary injunction is entered, the court has the power to have an expedited hearing on the actual merits so that neither side is harmed by delay. Still, the idea that the NCAA tries to play hardball is 100% accurate. But, lawyers representing players are being more aggressive themselves. Waivers are requested based upon racial attacks, because a university condoned or protected anti-female abuse. Waive the protected class flag and the NCAA may well back off simply because to be wrong would expose it to not only damages but public outrage. I predict that waivers will become more common as time goes by. Perhaps there will be a limit such as no in conference transfers or no following a coach transfer. But, to paraphrase Bob Dylan, times they are a-changing.

Amen. Also strange that the transfer rules are different for non-major (my word) sports.
 
Martell is not just using the coaching change though. He's claiming he was lied to and misled by Urban, basically what Shea Patterson claimed happened to him at Ole Miss. He might still lose, but the Patterson waiver created a new precedent for kids to play right away
 
Martell is not just using the coaching change though. He's claiming he was lied to and misled by Urban, basically what Shea Patterson claimed happened to him at Ole Miss. He might still lose, but the Patterson waiver created a new precedent for kids to play right away

Not so sure about that. Ole Miss went on probation and had some sanctions (bowl ban). I believe that was the basis for Patterson's waiver case.
 
I think Patterson claimed the school lied to him on the severity of the sanctions at Ole Miss.
I think the ncaa will note the difference between that and a claim the lie was about changes in the coaching staff and scheme. Which probably every college athlete can make a case for.
 
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While those artilces are interesting, they are not entiely accurate. As noted in post #2 the new red-shirt rule says nothing about transfer eligability. It simply allows a player to not use up a year of actual eligibility by playing in 4 or less games in a year. Similarly, the restitution rule only hurts a school where it allows an ineligable player to play while the NCAA is attempting to appeal a judge's ruling that the NCAA was wrong to suspend the player. Under most state's law and federal law, where a temporary injunction is entered, the court has the power to have an expedited hearing on the actual merits so that neither side is harmed by delay. Still, the idea that the NCAA tries to play hardball is 100% accurate. But, lawyers representing players are being more aggressive themselves. Waivers are requested based upon racial attacks, because a university condoned or protected anti-female abuse. Waive the protected class flag and the NCAA may well back off simply because to be wrong would expose it to not only damages but public outrage. I predict that waivers will become more common as time goes by. Perhaps there will be a limit such as no in conference transfers or no following a coach transfer. But, to paraphrase Bob Dylan, times they are a-changing.
Just curious if there are any anti-trust issues that the NCAA fears?
 
Just curious if there are any anti-trust issues that the NCAA fears?
The short answer is yes. Because the NCAA has little to no competition and it controls nearly all major public schools, it's conduct would be examined using a higher scrutiny. If it is found to utilize its power to protect its money and not the interest of members schools and student athletes it could be subject to sanctions that could kill it. That is why I think it will bend on things like transfers.
 
The short answer is yes. Because the NCAA has little to no competition and it controls nearly all major public schools, it's conduct would be examined using a higher scrutiny. If it is found to utilize its power to protect its money and not the interest of members schools and student athletes it could be subject to sanctions that could kill it. That is why I think it will bend on things like transfers.
Thanks... Really great explanations!
 
My thing is, why does a kid only have to go to JUCO for 2 years, or prep school for only 1 year, but has to graduate from a 4 year University before He can transfer?
 
The first article states "they have recently created a rule allowing athletes who have played less than four games in a season to be able to transfer and play at their new school immediately." Is this true?

If so, by this logic, anyone who has taken a redshirt year (Tate Martell) should be eligible immediately.
the article probably meant grad transfers cause that is only transfer can play immediately without a waiver
 
Just curious if there are any anti-trust issues that the NCAA fears?
None...they are supposedly administered by the member Colleges, and Universities, that have their own laws and bylaws, within the NCAA.
Transfer with cause, enables the possibility of early play time.
Transfer in the case of Martell is much more difficult to call, if he did not graduate..
The question is...Will just being lied to by a Coach, justify the approval for immediate playtime?.
The attorneys will have a good case, re Urban, the scandal, and his resignation,( lies abound,) but the NCAA is a wild card....50%-50% at this time...
My lean is that he may have to sit.
The NCAA cannot open a can of worms, or let the genie out of the bottle. There is NO putting it back, so they will err on the conservative NO call....(typical).
Martell sits IMO.
 
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The waivers are bogus. Any waiver is subjective and depends on the sentiments of the people granting them. Have one rule that applied to all .
 
The short answer is yes. Because the NCAA has little to no competition and it controls nearly all major public schools, it's conduct would be examined using a higher scrutiny. If it is found to utilize its power to protect its money and not the interest of members schools and student athletes it could be subject to sanctions that could kill it. That is why I think it will bend on things like transfers.

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I kinda think the NCAA is at a crossroads here. They've known since the Ed O'Bannon lawsuit versus EA Sports that their control over student athletes had to loosen but how much? It seems they're trying to find a way to appease college athletes on issues that they could lose on legally but are still trying to maintain some semblance of the old order of college athletics.

They lost the 3 year rule in basketball in the courts but were able to maintain it in football. The high profile, big salary college coaching carousel is likely going to force the NCAA to have an all out free agency market, where every year, every disgruntled kid will float their name to every school who originally recruited them. That will ultimately be bad for college football as we know it IMO.
 
@RVACane



I kinda think the NCAA is at a crossroads here. They've known since the Ed O'Bannon lawsuit versus EA Sports that their control over student athletes had to loosen but how much? It seems they're trying to find a way to appease college athletes on issues that they could lose on legally but are still trying to maintain some semblance of the old order of college athletics.

They lost the 3 year rule in basketball in the courts but were able to maintain it in football. The high profile, big salary college coaching carousel is likely going to force the NCAA to have an all out free agency market, where every year, every disgruntled kid will float their name to every school who originally recruited them. That will ultimately be bad for college football as we know it IMO.
I think this is where it's headed. I think they're terrified of setting court precedents, an anti-trust ruling, the things you mentioned... There's a lot hitting them at one time right now and when you factor it all in, something's gotta give.
 
I think this is where it's headed. I think they're terrified of setting court precedents, an anti-trust ruling, the things you mentioned... There's a lot hitting them at one time right now and when you factor it all in, something's gotta give.



Keep in mind the NCAA enjoys a massive amount of "political cover" from the upper echelon of society (government, media, etc...). ****, Mark Emmert, current head of the NCAA is a life long member of the Council on Foreign Relations (for those who know the extent of evil that emanates from that organization). That said, the have to see the writing on the wall.
 
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