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MSU v UM: Post Game Observations/Eye Test

When the OL is missing assignments, don't know who to block, can't block stunts and allow small LBs to run in between them with barely a touch, that is all coaching.

As a group they are clueless and that can't be fixed with individual talent.
 
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#5 on offense was open and effective when he caught passes. King did not look for him. hardly ever looked to his left.
#0 on offense was also a positive.
No running game.
OL was offensive.
MS fans were 30% of the stadium and were loud. Our fans were lethargic like the team.
I left 3 minutes before the game ended to avoid the many MS fans that were way out of hand.
Return game in special teams? is that still a thing? When is Hester Jr. ready to suit up?
Head coach double duty as defensive coordinator is a a double negative
I kicked the dog when I got home!
LBs did not back the line.
Parking was a mess.
DT were effective, mostly.
Arroyo is already > Mallory.
Beers in plastic bottles is sinful.
We had maybe 40,000 fans and the men bathroom lines were 8 to 10 deep
I miss the Orange Bowl....sooooo much!
The little Havana parking was MORE effective.
Im still drinking! and still drunk.
 
Empirical Cane said:
Here are my in-person observations/"eye test" assessments from MSU v UM...

Attendance
- Stadium appeared ~30% full in total, not surprised
- Crowd was supportive of both teams mostly
- One bizarre jackass young lion from MSU was looking for fight and came very close to being turned into a toothless pretzel had police not stepped in and told him to behave...thankfully for him not one glance back afterwards

Overall:
- D wasn't responsible for this loss (I'll explain)
- O is worse in person than on TV... stomach churning bad
- Canes are low percentage success on both O amd D
-- NO RESILIENCE to overcome without perfect execution... every single body blow knocks on to several plays forward
-- Fumbles
-- Missed FG
-- Dropped passes
-- Holding/PI/PF flags
-- Missed tackles
-- Without perfect execution on every opportunity (because they are rare for Miami), above body blows are crunching strikes that lead to even more chaos and disappoinment
- Corching staff has lost fan base
-- Obvious at game and at watering hole afterwards

OL:
- Have no use for muppets who scream "modern spread" O...you don't know what you are talking about and can't be helped
- EVERYTHING on O is wholly enabled by superior OL play... our Canes do not have this, not even close
- To be successful in CFB, you need a road grading wall of big meat up front--period end of story--please stop embarrassing yourself by saying differently
- As in past years, this OL is below average in ACC on their best day

RB:
- Cam is a FB, not RB
-- Defender magnet.. combined with awful OL... we see awful run game results
-- For whatever reason, he doesn't have "elusiveness"

QB:
- King is not the answer under current structure
-- Not even an above average passing threat, compounded by WR/TE who can't catch
-- Lost his timing on "elusiveness"... he is either a step early or late to be positive impact in run game... and again OL is net negative

WR/TE:
- Rambo is big positive
- Mallory is big negative
- Harley was terrible
- Rest disappeared (probably play calling)


D overall:
- Tackling is awful
-- HOWEVER, O lost this game... can't put D out there that many times and expect stops... again see "perfect execution" and lack of resiliency

DL:
- Ineffective mostly against superior OL (see a trend?)
-- Few flashes, but meh

LB:
- Flashed on TFLs/sacks
-- But body blows... see above

DB:
- Flashed, but meh...body blows... see above



My feeling is at least one conversation is being had right now about firing James and Diaz... doesn't mean it will happen... BUT... I'm not certain they survive period between Duke and bowl game (but might mot habe enough wins to qualify)
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An asterisk has to be put next to OL. Zion is clearly better with Jalen next to him probably because he can trust him to do his job. As soon as 55 came in he changed and it probably had to do with him having to play babysitter. Losing Jalen was wayyyyyyy bigger than we thought.
 
Empirical Cane said:
OL:
- Have no use for muppets who scream "modern spread" O...you don't know what you are talking about and can't be helped
- EVERYTHING on O is wholly enabled by superior OL play... our Canes do not have this, not even close
- To be successful in CFB, you need a road grading wall of big meat up front--period end of story--please stop embarrassing yourself by saying differently
- As in past years, this OL is below average in ACC on their best day

RB:
- Cam is a FB, not RB
-- Defender magnet.. combined with awful OL... we see awful run game results
-- For whatever reason, he doesn't have "elusiveness"
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To all those geniuses who pointed at Miami having the most experienced OL in CFB and that making this team the best in 17 years, please take note of this post and try to learn a little about the game of football!

The train don't run without the engine. Coral Gables is where OC's come to die because they didn't consider Miami's inability to recruit and develop O-Linemen.

You ignored the fact that Miami's OL finished the last two seasons in the lowest 25% in CFB and is still interchanging guards and tackles after four years to see if they can play a particular position for more than a few plays without a catastrophic effect on offensive production.

Miami's OL in the lowest 25% in CFB had 52 yards rushing 2.2 yds per and gave up 3 sacs today
MSU an average CFB OL, had 172 yards rushing 6.6 yes per and gave up 3 sacs today = Ball Game
 
Silver King said:
To all those geniuses who pointed at Miami having the most experienced OL in CFB and that making this team the best in 17 years, please take note of this post and try to learn a little about the game of football!

The train don't run without the engine. Coral Gables is where OC's come to die because they didn't consider Miami's inability to recruit and develop O-Linemen.

You ignored the fact that Miami's OL finished the last two seasons in the lowest 25% in CFB and is still interchanging guards and tackles after four years to see if they can play a particular position for more than a few plays without a catastrophic effect on offensive production.

Miami's OL in the lowest 25% in CFB had 52 yards rushing 2.2 yds per and gave up 3 sacs today
MSU an average CFB OL, had 172 yards rushing 6.6 yes per and gave up 3 sacs today = Ball Game
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ALWAYS question someone when, in face of poor performance, says "I have this much experience..." as part of their defense.


True Story:

Empirical Cane: This situation isn't great, in fact its awful

Soon to be relieved person: Well! I've been doing this for 17 years!

Empirical Cane: Have you been this terrible at it for this long? I'm making a change...

Now relieved person: [stunned look on face]
 
datcaneguy said:
Defense was getting off the field early. It was towards the end of the 2nd quarter when MSU adjusted from running up the middle to running counters and zone blocking. OC saw how hard the backside was crashing down and how the back 7 were so **** bent of flowing with motion and countered. Manny never countered it and MSU

On O. They gave those hitches all game and kept everything in front making this mistake prone offense drive the field. What happened when they got into the redzone? Penalties, dropped passes, missed fgs. What happened when MSU scored and King had to drive the field? He got restless and started forcing throws that got picked. Played right into MSU hands. Second half they took those hitches away everything else they gave the O in the first half and Lashlee didn’t adjust.

Coaches failed to adjust. Players lost the will to fight.
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Pretty much sums it up. Also makes me wonder what the **** Shoop does? Isn’t he supposed to be helping Diaz from the booth? The lack of adjustment is mind boggling. We actually used to be decent with 2nd half adjustments. Looks like even coaches are saying fk it.
 
Silver King said:
The train don't run without the engine. Coral Gables is where OC's come to die because they didn't consider Miami's inability to recruit and develop O-Linemen.
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This👆

An AD/HC team with vision is going to realize this and one day*, come to Coral Gables and dominate.


*dream a little dream
 
Some macro team takes after watching this team for three weeks:

This University of Miami football team is small, lacks athleticism, lacks talent on the top end...and then on top of that, is undisciplined and lacks pride in their craft. It is a bad collection of talent that is also one of the least conditioned University of Miami teams I can remember. We've seen quit in the University of Miami before over the past 20 years...but it usually comes in late October and November where we get performances like yesterday from them.

It is 110 degrees on the field in your home stadium...you truly have a homefield advantage and you are overcome by the grind of a 60 minute game in these conditions...it even begins to rain in typical Miami fashion.

FATIGUE MAKES COWARDS OF US ALL...and that was the University of Miami in that fourth quarter on Saturday. That should have been Michigan State...even with as good as they played...Miami should have had their players GASSED by the 4th quarter and we should have been able to pull away from them...but fatigue makes cowards of us all and Michigan State proved to the more conditioned team for South Florida heat and Miami just wilted.

That's unforgivable.
 
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You mean averaging 17 points per game isn't a recipe for success?

I'm thoroughly disgusted with our offensive performance. There is simply no reason at all for it to be this much worse than last year.

Manny's out of chances. But he's just the symptom. The actual problem needs to be fixed.
 
Empirical Cane said:
I sorta agree, but respectfully disagree...

Let me explain my schizoness..

- D is not elite by any stretch, they are below average
- Today's game is heavily slanted towards O success
- Had our Canes O actually sustained drives, game is much closer, probably even W
- Contest was winnable until dam broke... it was expected because MSU's O just had too many chances


Also, MSU defenders far superior in assignmsnts and tackling than our Canes... FAR SUPERIOR
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Agree completely. MSU played disciplined defense and knew their gap responsibility. Something we do not know how to do. So irritating to see our players out of position to make the stop and angles man, angles. Bummed out about my Canes.
 
Lashlee is complete garbage not because I don’t think he can’t run a good offense but because this guy is another stubborn coach who refuses to adapt to his personnel.

Guy is asking Mallory to block, which he is awful at

Asks King to run zone reads, which he’s awful at

Asks Cam Harris to run outside, which he is awful at

Offense last year at times actually looked competent, at least against the ****tier teams but this year even against ****** teams, yes Michigan State, it’s been HORRIFIC
 
Empirical Cane said:
Here are my in-person observations/"eye test" assessments from MSU v UM...

Attendance
- Stadium appeared ~30% full in total, not surprised
- Crowd was supportive of both teams mostly
- One bizarre jackass young lion from MSU was looking for fight and came very close to being turned into a toothless pretzel had police not stepped in and told him to behave...thankfully for him not one glance back afterwards

Overall:
- D wasn't responsible for this loss (I'll explain)
- O is worse in person than on TV... stomach churning bad
- Canes are low percentage success on both O amd D
-- NO RESILIENCE to overcome without perfect execution... every single body blow knocks on to several plays forward
-- Fumbles
-- Missed FG
-- Dropped passes
-- Holding/PI/PF flags
-- Missed tackles
-- Without perfect execution on every opportunity (because they are rare for Miami), above body blows are crunching strikes that lead to even more chaos and disappoinment
- Corching staff has lost fan base
-- Obvious at game and at watering hole afterwards

OL:
- Have no use for muppets who scream "modern spread" O...you don't know what you are talking about and can't be helped
- EVERYTHING on O is wholly enabled by superior OL play... our Canes do not have this, not even close
- To be successful in CFB, you need a road grading wall of big meat up front--period end of story--please stop embarrassing yourself by saying differently
- As in past years, this OL is below average in ACC on their best day

RB:
- Cam is a FB, not RB
-- Defender magnet.. combined with awful OL... we see awful run game results
-- For whatever reason, he doesn't have "elusiveness"

QB:
- King is not the answer under current structure
-- Not even an above average passing threat, compounded by WR/TE who can't catch
-- Lost his timing on "elusiveness"... he is either a step early or late to be positive impact in run game... and again OL is net negative

WR/TE:
- Rambo is big positive
- Mallory is big negative
- Harley was terrible
- Rest disappeared (probably play calling)


D overall:
- Tackling is awful
-- HOWEVER, O lost this game... can't put D out there that many times and expect stops... again see "perfect execution" and lack of resiliency

DL:
- Ineffective mostly against superior OL (see a trend?)
-- Few flashes, but meh

LB:
- Flashed on TFLs/sacks
-- But body blows... see above

DB:
- Flashed, but meh...body blows... see above



My feeling is at least one conversation is being had right now about firing James and Diaz... doesn't mean it will happen... BUT... I'm not certain they survive period between Duke and bowl game (but might mot habe enough wins to qualify)
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I'm not one to dig up threads but many, many posts were made claiming all we needed was up tempo spread to mask our terrible Oline. Scheme around it! There is no scheming around a poor Oline, none.
 
Disgustipated said:
I'm not one to dig up threads but many, many posts were made claiming all we needed was up tempo spread to mask our terrible Oline. Scheme around it! There is no scheming around a poor Oline, none.
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I said it then, I will say it now...

Muppets think that way, not reasonable adults.

People who have never run successful organizations cling to gimmicky hopes, not leaders who have proven performance.

Laughable to think otherwise.
 
There were plenty of plays where King had more than enough time in the pocket and the receivers were covered or he didn’t let it fly. He’s a good football player but there is definitely something missing this year for sure. Maybe defenses have figured out Lashlee’s O.
 
We made their RB look like the second coming of Frank Gore. How can you say the D wasn't at least co-responsible for the loss man.........common!
 
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