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Looking at the current QB situation, one would have to think this situation has the potential to be a nightmare for Richt.

He was forced out at UGA after a very good 15 year run in which he elevated the program, won two SEC titles, churned out NFL talent, and averaged about 10 wins per season. What happened? The QB situation turned into the perfect storm in 2015, that's what happened.

After Aaron Murray (and Hutson Mason's one season), he had highly-rated QBs on his roster that never panned out.

--Jacob Park--4 star recruit that ended up transferring to Iowa State and then left the team in mid-season.

--Brice Ramsey--4 star recruit that couldn't be counted on in live action. (Actually contributed more as a punter than QB).

--Faton Bauta--3 star recruit that was supposed to be dual-threat, but turned out to be UGA's Kirby Freeman...or worse.

--Greyson Lambert--4 star recruit that started out at UVA and then transferred to UGA.

In 2015 Lambert was the starter, but he was way too inconsistent. He looked like a total stud running a play-action fake and dropping back to set up to throw. But once he would carry out the fake he would have no idea where to go with the ball and would either make a bad throw or take a sack. Lambert couldn't get it done. Ramsey was totally unreliable. By the middle of the season, Richt uncharacteristically got desperate and ran Bauta out there as the unexpected starter vs the Crocs. He proceeded to throw 4 picks and Georgia got blown out by a Treon Harris-led team. And that was pretty much the end for Richt at Georgia.

The team went on to win 10 games in 2015 in spite of all that and the cupboard was completely stacked for Kirby Smart when he took over. But a depth chart full of unusable QBs did Mark Richt in.

Fast forward to 2018. He brought Miami back to national prominence ahead of schedule and won 10 games with a backup QB left over from the former staff. He has 3 other highly-rated QBs on his depth chart. The 5th year senior starter is riding a 4-game losing streak and is clearly unable to get the job done. The fans are fed up and so are many of the players (if reports are to be trusted). He's at a crossroads. He doesn't want a nightmare repeat of 2015 where he keeps trotting out different guys and none of them perform. Out of the guys currently on the roster, he has to pick the right QB to lead the team and he has to do it now.

We can only hope that he learned something from 2015 and gets it right this time around.
 
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ddann said:
Looking at the current QB situation, one would have to think this situation has the potential to be a nightmare for Richt.

He was forced out at UGA after a very good 15 year run in which he elevated the program, won two SEC titles, churned out NFL talent, and averaged about 10 wins per season. What happened? The QB situation turned into the perfect storm in 2015, that's what happened.

After Aaron Murray (and Hutson Mason's one season), he had highly-rated QBs on his roster that never panned out.

--Jacob Park--4 star recruit that ended up transferring to Iowa State and then left the team in mid-season.

--Brice Ramsey--4 star recruit that couldn't be counted on in live action. (Actually contributed more as a punter than QB).

--Faton Bauta--3 star recruit that was supposed to be dual-threat, but turned out to be UGA's Kirby Freeman...or worse.

--Greyson Lambert--4 star recruit that started out at UVA and then transferred to UGA.

In 2015 Lambert was the starter, but he was way too inconsistent. He looked like a total stud running a play-action fake and dropping back to set up to throw. But once he would carry out the fake he would have no idea where to go with the ball and would either make a bad throw or take a sack. Lambert couldn't get it done. Ramsey was totally unreliable. By the middle of the season, Richt uncharacteristically got desperate and ran Bauta out there as the unexpected starter vs the Crocs. He proceeded to throw 4 picks and Georgia got blown out by a Treon Harris-led team. And that was pretty much the end for Richt at Georgia.

The team went on to win 10 games in 2015 in spite of all that and the cupboard was completely stacked for Kirby Smart when he took over. But a depth chart full of unusable QBs did Mark Richt in.

Fast forward to 2018. He brought Miami back to national prominence ahead of schedule and won 10 games with a backup QB left over from the former staff. He has 3 other highly-rated QBs on his depth chart. The 5th year senior starter is riding a 4-game losing streak and is clearly unable to get the job done. The fans are fed up and so are many of the players (if reports are to be trusted). He's at a crossroads. He doesn't want a nightmare repeat of 2015 where he keeps trotting out different guys and none of them perform. Out of the guys currently on the roster, he has to pick the right QB to lead the team and he has to do it now.

We can only hope that he learned something from 2015 and gets it right this time around.
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Exactly! This is what doomed him at UGA. Also think about all of the QB evaluations he missed on at UGA. Nick Marshall was a cornerback at UGA and Auburn turned him into a very good QB. Deshaun Watson and Cam Newton were misses. Now think about what happened here, Kaaya played worse under Richt. Jack Allison transferred and is supposedly looking good at West Virginia. He was recruiing Sitowski who threw 3 interceptions vs. Texas State. A UGA booster told me Richt is good at running a clean program, upgrading the talent at the skill positions and great with the media but his QB/ Offensive Line development and recruiting is terrible. He also said Stacy Searels is atrocious as a coach for what its worth.
 
DemCanesByke said:
Exactly! This is what doomed him at UGA. Also think about all of the QB evaluations he missed on at UGA. Nick Marshall was a cornerback at UGA and Auburn turned him into a very good QB. Deshaun Watson and Cam Newton were misses. Now think about what happened here, Kaaya played worse under Richt. Jack Allison transferred and is supposedly looking good at West Virginia. He was recruiing Sitowski who threw 3 interceptions vs. Texas State. A UGA booster told me Richt is good at running a clean program, upgrading the talent at the skill positions and great with the media but his QB/ Offensive Line development and recruiting is terrible. He also said Stacy Searels is atrocious as a coach for what its worth.
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I appreciate the point of view of your disgruntled UGA booster. But the truth is that Richt's offensive lines at Georgia were generally very good and were much better than any UM offensive line over the past decade plus. There is no debating that. Yes, Bama had better offensive lines. So what? They've had better offensive lines than all other FBS teams, too.

Richt did well with QBs at UGA right up until 2015 when the wheels came off. Yeah, he whiffed on Deshaun Watson. That's true and that hurt him. But sCam Newton? He got kicked out of UF before he ever won at Auburn. And Nick Marshall was a very limited QB. He worked in Auburn's system in 2013, but he wasn't a Div. 1 passer.
 
I don't know, it just seems we haven't had good QB play since Dorsey left 15 freakin years ago. Berlin was ok, but very inconsistent. Everyone else since has been bad.
 
Where can I find the player reports on who is upset at Malik? I honestly took a break from CIS after the ****show I watched Sunday night. Everyone seems to be talking about the players being mad, what happened?
 
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DemCanesByke said:
Exactly! This is what doomed him at UGA. Also think about all of the QB evaluations he missed on at UGA. Nick Marshall was a cornerback at UGA and Auburn turned him into a very good QB. Deshaun Watson and Cam Newton were misses. Now think about what happened here, Kaaya played worse under Richt. Jack Allison transferred and is supposedly looking good at West Virginia. He was recruiing Sitowski who threw 3 interceptions vs. Texas State. A UGA booster told me Richt is good at running a clean program, upgrading the talent at the skill positions and great with the media but his QB/ Offensive Line development and recruiting is terrible. He also said Stacy Searels is atrocious as a coach for what its worth.
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Kaaya statistically had his best year in every category under Richt. Outside that though agree with what you said.
 
moneymanj said:
Where can I find the player reports on who is upset at Malik? I honestly took a break from CIS after the ****show I watched Sunday night. Everyone seems to be talking about the players being mad, what happened?
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Fake news by some members of the hate club on this forum.
 
Maybe he needs to review and reconsider his approach, as well as his method of evaluating game ready QB's.

Maybe he's wanting them to be something he likes, someone very systematic - but maybe some of our QB's are much better at shooting from the hip.

Which would mean - a combination of a systematic approach - yet letting the QB's a bit of freedom to do what they feel they can do on game day.

Surely there are times receivers get back into the huddle, and say, "I'm open! Wide open!" And schitt fire - per Richt's more strict process protocol - will likely prohibit taking advantage of that.

Now, I think a lot of Rosier's problems are NOT all Rosier's but the robotic requirements that Richt demands - after all - Richt told Rosier that he never was going to let him play QB as Rosier was a bit of a gunslinger - that was his style.

N'Kosi - same thing. He was great because he could make good things happen when Plan One turned to crap. But -we're told he's unfamiliar with the playbook! I call BS!

The offensive game has passed Richt by - and his structure - while theoretically plausible - doesn't really work well in a game where defenses intentionally create chaos.

Burn me as you wish - but Richt isn't an Offensive Coordinator - and his strict methodology is just crippling our QB's abilities to take what's available and make things happen.
 
DemCanesByke said:
Exactly! This is what doomed him at UGA. Also think about all of the QB evaluations he missed on at UGA. Nick Marshall was a cornerback at UGA and Auburn turned him into a very good QB. Deshaun Watson and Cam Newton were misses. Now think about what happened here, Kaaya played worse under Richt. Jack Allison transferred and is supposedly looking good at West Virginia. He was recruiing Sitowski who threw 3 interceptions vs. Texas State. A UGA booster told me Richt is good at running a clean program, upgrading the talent at the skill positions and great with the media but his QB/ Offensive Line development and recruiting is terrible. He also said Stacy Searels is atrocious as a coach for what its worth.
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Not true
 
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ddann said:
Looking at the current QB situation, one would have to think this situation has the potential to be a nightmare for Richt.

He was forced out at UGA after a very good 15 year run in which he elevated the program, won two SEC titles, churned out NFL talent, and averaged about 10 wins per season. What happened? The QB situation turned into the perfect storm in 2015, that's what happened.

After Aaron Murray (and Hutson Mason's one season), he had highly-rated QBs on his roster that never panned out.

--Jacob Park--4 star recruit that ended up transferring to Iowa State and then left the team in mid-season.

--Brice Ramsey--4 star recruit that couldn't be counted on in live action. (Actually contributed more as a punter than QB).

--Faton Bauta--3 star recruit that was supposed to be dual-threat, but turned out to be UGA's Kirby Freeman...or worse.

--Greyson Lambert--4 star recruit that started out at UVA and then transferred to UGA.

In 2015 Lambert was the starter, but he was way too inconsistent. He looked like a total stud running a play-action fake and dropping back to set up to throw. But once he would carry out the fake he would have no idea where to go with the ball and would either make a bad throw or take a sack. Lambert couldn't get it done. Ramsey was totally unreliable. By the middle of the season, Richt uncharacteristically got desperate and ran Bauta out there as the unexpected starter vs the Crocs. He proceeded to throw 4 picks and Georgia got blown out by a Treon Harris-led team. And that was pretty much the end for Richt at Georgia.

The team went on to win 10 games in 2015 in spite of all that and the cupboard was completely stacked for Kirby Smart when he took over. But a depth chart full of unusable QBs did Mark Richt in.

Fast forward to 2018. He brought Miami back to national prominence ahead of schedule and won 10 games with a backup QB left over from the former staff. He has 3 other highly-rated QBs on his depth chart. The 5th year senior starter is riding a 4-game losing streak and is clearly unable to get the job done. The fans are fed up and so are many of the players (if reports are to be trusted). He's at a crossroads. He doesn't want a nightmare repeat of 2015 where he keeps trotting out different guys and none of them perform. Out of the guys currently on the roster, he has to pick the right QB to lead the team and he has to do it now.

We can only hope that he learned something from 2015 and gets it right this time around.
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100% not true what doomed mark richt at uga!!
 
UMFarArcher said:
Now, I think a lot of Rosier's problems are NOT all Rosier's but the robotic requirements that Richt demands - after all - Richt told Rosier that he never was going to let him play QB as Rosier was a bit of a gunslinger - that was his style.
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I think we can all see that Rosier's problems are on Rosier. It doesn't matter who is open or how much gunslinging Rosier does. Richt's initial assessment was correct when he thought Rosier would never play QB for him. But, since he was put in a spot where he felt like Rosier was his only option he did play him and managed to wring 10 wins out of him before it all came crashing down.

I don't think the offensive game has passed Richt by, as you suggest. But I do think he needs to get somebody out there under center who can execute the basics of the QB position at an acceptable level. If he can get that done over the next few weeks, then a lot of the problems will go away. If he can't, then get ready for a throw away season.
 
UMFarArcher said:
Maybe he's wanting them to be something he likes, someone very systematic - but maybe some of our QB's are much better at shooting from the hip.
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Good point. A couple of the best QBs that Richt had at UGA were indeed gunslingers: Matthew Stafford and Aaron Murray. ****, even David Greene had a bit of that in his game too. The closest guy stylistically we have to any of those 3 on the roster is probably Jarren Williams.

I think what Richt wants is someone who can run his system the way he wants to, but then has that extra intangible to make a throw when the play breaks down, gunslinger style. It's pretty rare to see both traits in the same player.
 
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