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TheMatador said:
I watched a good part of this game on YT this morning. If you think our recent OLs were bad, you should go back and watch this game. Our OL last year was much better than the one I saw in this game.

Everybody thinks our OLs were so great in the '80's. They were not. They were mediocre. They did enough to protect the QB and we made up for it with a superior passing attack.

I was at the game.

We never should have a position player doing the snapping. Now we recruit specialist snappers, we no longer have a position player do double duty.

The same OL mediocrity was true of our OL on the great '86 team. It was high-average, not dominating. I remember the announcers for the '86 Pitt game saying that for a team ranked number one or whatever it was, but it was very high) UM did not run the ball very well. That was right after Warren Williams was stuffed. We got stuffed a lot that day.

And one Pitt RB had almost three hundred yards on us. Ironhead Heyward.

As best as I could tell from watching part of the '87 UF game, our OL included Mike Sullivan, Rod Holder, Scott Provin, Matt Patchan, Gary Mahon.

The '86 team also had Gregg Rakoczy at center instead of Holder.

We were not overpowering dominating OLs. Recent OLs have probably run better. We should have had a 1000 yard rusher last year. And I admit last year's line left a lot to be desired.
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Iron Head was unbelievable and our players complimented him after that game, which by the way...we WON!
 
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fraggle said:
Iron Head was unbelievable and our players complimented him after that game, which by the way...we WON!
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Yes, we won and it wasn't close. Same with that '87 UF opener. I didn't watch the whole game again, and I don't remember if we ran the ball better as the game went on but we were certainly not overpowering. Steve Walsh and the receivers (incl Melvin Bratton) and the defense made us much better. UF had two very good safeties, too. Louis Oliver and Jarvis Williams. Their DL coach was a former UM player, Dan Coughlin.
 
TheMatador said:
I watched a good part of this game on YT this morning. If you think our recent OLs were bad, you should go back and watch this game. Our OL last year was much better than the one I saw in this game.

Everybody thinks our OLs were so great in the '80's. They were not. They were mediocre. They did enough to protect the QB and we made up for it with a superior passing attack.

I was at the game.

We never should have a position player doing the snapping. Now we recruit specialist snappers, we no longer have a position player do double duty.

The same OL mediocrity was true of our OL on the great '86 team. It was high-average, not dominating. I remember the announcers for the '86 Pitt game saying that for a team ranked number one or whatever it was, but it was very high) UM did not run the ball very well. That was right after Warren Williams was stuffed. We got stuffed a lot that day.

And one Pitt RB had almost three hundred yards on us. Ironhead Heyward.

As best as I could tell from watching part of the '87 UF game, our OL included Mike Sullivan, Rod Holder, Scott Provin, Matt Patchan, Gary Mahon.

The '86 team also had Gregg Rakoczy at center instead of Holder.

We were not overpowering dominating OLs. Recent OLs have probably run better. We should have had a 1000 yard rusher last year. And I admit last year's line left a lot to be desired.
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Pretty spot on. Everyone remembers the 2001 OL and thinks that’s how we became a dominant team. With the exception of that OL, we always had undersized OL who were average. Occasionally you had 1 guy who was dominant like Searcy, but mostly small quick undersized lineman who would struggle when trying to power run the ball down someone’s throats.

Our OL was AlWAYS overmatched going into big games, but we had smart OC’s who knew our OL’s deficiencies and schemed around it putting them in positions to succeed. Kehoe was also very good at teaching them leverage and technique. We did have some bad OL play last year but the biggest issue was a terrible OC and OL coach who even knowing their limitations, were too stubborn to even give them the chance to succeed.
 
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TRick72 said:
Pretty spot on. Everyone remembers the 2001 OL and thinks that’s how we became a dominant team. With the exception of that OL, we always had undersized OL who were average. Occasionally you had 1 guy who was dominant like Searcy, but mostly small quick undersized lineman who would struggle when trying to power run the ball down someone’s throats.

Our OL was AlWAYS overmatched going into big games, but we had smart OC’s who knew our OL’s deficiencies and schemed around it putting them in positions to succeed. Kehoe was also very good at teaching them leverage and technique. We did have some bad OL play last year but the biggest issue was a terrible OC and OL coach who even knowing their limitations, were too stubborn to even give them the chance to succeed.
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