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How should position coaches be allocated?

Beatles_1 said:
OC
QB (too important to overlap and your QB coach can be groomed to replace your OC so your systems stay in place if your OC gets poached)
RB
OL
WR/TE (TEs can work with the OL coach too on blocking)

DC (can also help out at a particular position probably DB)
DL
LB
DB

STC (I feel teams leave easy room for improvement on the table by having someone do this only part time. A really good unit can mean an extra win over the course of the year)
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I am of the school that you OC should also be your QB coach. You want your OC and QBs all on the exact same page. Zero room for mixed messages or miscommunication.

On your parenthetical, you don't want your QB coach year 1 ending up your rookie OC (and possibly first-time playcaller) year 2. Top programs aren't grooming their QB coach to be their next OC. They're replacing OCs who become HCs with other proven OCs.
 
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Hoyacane1620 said:
I wasn't sure where to put this so I'll leave it here since this is a coaching thread. found it interesting. also wonder where Justice fits in...

The highest-paid offensive line coaches in college football: 2020 edition (NOTE: Some of these coaches have moved to new teams in recent weeks)

1. Matt Luke, Georgia — $900,000
2. Will Friend, Tennessee — $805,000
3. Bill Bedebaugh, Oklahoma — $750,000
4. Justin Frye, UCLA — $700,000
5. Eric Wolford, South Carolina — $700,000
6. Kyle Flood, Alabama — $650,000
6. Herb Hand, Texas — $650,000
8. Robbie Caldwell, Clemson — $640,000
9. Ed Warinner, Michigan — $625,000
10. Josh Henson, Texas A&M — $605,000
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How is BB at Oklahoma not number 1. He clearly has the results. Guys underpaid if you ask me. And they technically could give him OC title for a raise
 
Most elite teams have a dedicated ST coach or at least someone who has been previously
 
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Liberty City El said:
Offense:
OC/QB’s coach
RB’s Coach
WR’s Coach
TE’s Coach
OL Coach

Defense:
DC
DL Coach
LB’s Coach
CB’s Coach
S’s Coach

The Special Teams coach can be a slash of nearly any position from S’s, TE’s, RB’s, LB’s or CB’s coach.

We double up on DC/LB’s coach because we have a Strikers (OLB’s) coach on staff, but in IMO you don’t really need a separate LB’s coach & yes I’m fully aware that Strikers are not the same as regular traditional LB’s, they’re Hybrid players but to me you really only need 1 LB’s coach & should use that additional spot to add an ACE recruiter on your staff.

But it really depends on the scheme you run, teams that run a 3-4 usually have ILB’s & OLB’s coach as well, but most 4-2-5 scheme teams don’t have 2 LB’s coach, TCU for example has only 1 LB’s coach even though they run the 4-2-5 with the same Striker position. But because they play in the Big XII they used that extra coach spot for an Inside Receivers coach position. Lots of Air Raid teams have both an Inside WR’s & Outside WR’s coach, the Inside Receivers coach spot is usually doubled up as a TE’s coach.

I think the NCAA should actually allow up to 11-12 on field position coaches anyway, but the loophole around that is the Analyst game. Schools like Bama, Oh St, Clemson etc have an Army of Analysts coaches who are essentially on field positions coaches who specialize in whichever positions they’re brought in to look after, so for example when Hugh Freeze was an Analyst at Bama he was basically a second OC/QB’s Coach, or like when Fedora was an Analyst at Texas with Herman for a year.

Ultimately it just boils down to the HC using those 10 spots to bolster his staff up to the best within his allowed budget as possible. You wanna hit Home runs at the Coordinator spots & have to have good recruiters at spots like WR’s, RB’s, CB’s & S’s, at OL & DL coach you usually want a guys who are smart technicians & are good motivators because the positions in the trenches are just as much about effort/will/motor as it is about fundamental techniques.

As most should know, I keep up with quite a few coaching staffs around the country & not just the major P5’s & I can tell you that almost 95% or even higher of every coaching staff (with the exception of Bama) that the ST’s coach is almost exclusively used for a recruiter, very very few staffs a have a dedicated ST’s coach who’s background specifies in Special Teams lol.
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So we're part of the 5% or even 0%. I'm assuming basically no other schools have a ST's corch who not only sucks at recruiting, but ALSO has no background in special teams.
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
I am of the school that you OC should also be your QB coach. You want your OC and QBs all on the exact same page. Zero room for mixed messages or miscommunication.

On your parenthetical, you don't want your QB coach year 1 ending up your rookie OC (and possibly first-time playcaller) year 2. Top programs aren't grooming their QB coach to be their next OC. They're replacing OCs who become HCs with other proven OCs.
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Fair points. I would say I don’t see there being too much risk of miscommunication. The OC would still heavily work with the QB but I think it’s too big of a job potentially to handle the QB room and design the offense without someone else. I think teams under resource the QB position for how important it is

as for grooming the guy, the school wouldn’t have to hire him, it would simply be an option if you have a good system you like and a bunch of returning players it may be a nice option to have a protege and someone the qbs are familiar with. If not, the school hires someone outside and the QB coach moves on and becomes another potential coach familiar with your school in the future
 
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MedleyCane said:
It depends on what offensive and defensive systems you're running...For example, if you are running a Mike Leach spread, you won't need a TE coach but instead utilize inside and outside receiver coaches, respectively...Triple option teams may combine the FB with inside OL or QB. On defense, if you're primarily 4 man front, you may need to have two LB coaches...also, depends on what side of the ball the HC hails from...if he has coached or played QB, he may not want a full-time QB coach, perhaps all he needs is a grad assistant handling that position..no right or wrong way on how to configure a staff...it is kind of like soccer with regards to formation, you want to go with what works best for philosophy and players at hand.
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It also depends on the level of expertise of your assistants. Someone with a lot of experience can coach an entire 2ndary with the help of only GAs.
 
Seems excessive to have 3 coaching spots allocated to CB/S/'striker'. You have to have coordinators, so OC and DC are there meaning you have 8 spots to work with. You have to have an OL coach and a DL coach, so you have 6 left. You have to have a WR coach so you have 5 left.

On O, you have QB, TE and RB left. On D, you have LB and DB, and can split the spots as desired. And someone has to cover ST. That's 6-8 potential spots, for 5 position coaches. How it actually gets done is a function of which spots a coordinator covers (DC/LB, OC/QB, e.g.). Also, some head coaches handle ST, which can free up time for position coaches.

I'd love to see the HC handle ST, then have the following:

OC/QB
OL
WR
RB
TE

DC
LB
DL
CB
S

DC should be able to cover a position but until our LBs prove otherwise, I don't see benefit in lumping them under a coordinator.
 
OC/QB
RB
WR/TE(TE can be separate as well)
OL

DC
LB
Secondary
ST
DL

I'm a big fan of having a dedicated special teams coach that can not only work with specialists, but can also consistently formulate a gameplan for the ST units. Hidden yards via special teams is an undervalued asset and Miami has to maximize every advantage possible. In most modern systems, the WRs and TEs do a lot of the same stuff, you can get away with them being coached by the same person.

The HC should oversee the entire thing, I'd prefer not to give him a position to specialize in.
 
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