Guaranteed everyone will agree:

[LC_Cane]

Good coaching puts mediocre players in position to shine. Like playing downhill if they are slow to make up for lack of sideline to sideline speed. Its is embarrassing watching our players who I think are more talented then most defenses in college perform in this schematically challenged base defense. We absolutely have no gameplan to eliminate anything the opponent likes to do. I have watched to many games with this same defense not forcing the Offense to do something they are weak at. We absolutely knew what that **** white qb was going to do and did nothing in alignment or schematically different than when boone was in. Clearly that is a lack of gameplanning against your opponents personel. How many times in goaline were we not stacked in the trenches. I mean we know what is coming and we let that kid score 4 tds on our goaline. That is what is the most disappointing is you could see that the players have no energy to perform their task because their task is to wait. Wait on the ball carrier or qb to throw to a spot then react and make a tackle. Now that I mention tackle whoa whoa whoa... To many games I have heard bad tackling or missed tackles and Dno saying we need to strip the ball more and create fumbles. After the Duke game it finally clicked for me to see what was happening. They are teaching our kids to tackle the ball or strip everytime. If you can hold the ball carrier up then do it and try to get the ball when he is in open field. Didnt matter when it was during the game like down or distance inside the redzone or on the five we had goes trying to rip the ball. That is what the whole take your training to the game is meaning. It means we take the big over top pass plays away and when they get the underneath stuff or a big run you go for the ball everytime. There is no gameplan for attacking the Offensive best players or plays to take them away. Its we are going to wait and then try to create a turnover. This has got to change. Im diehard like the rest of you but I cant blame the players for this because this is what they are being taught to do. How many mental errors can a defense make.... Its pointless if they are 12 yards away from the line of scrimmage and everything underneath is open. We do not hold anybody on our back end inside the firstdown markers. So many wide open flat plays and drags that it would make you dizzy. We generated maybe two good stops that whole game. The other stops were wide open players dropping passes and if thats what our scheme is based on is them dropping wide open passes and not contending crap then this defense is destin to be the worst philosophical approach to a game I have ever witnessed. I support the players for I think its what they are being coached to do and its not on them. You can see it that they are not upset when players are free to run open or finger pointing saying this is your area etc... Its they are doing what they are suppose to do and thats keep everything in front of them and maybe we can cause a fumble or the reciever will drop a pass. You put these guys closer to the line and a we dare you to throw over top of us mentality and attack the offense then you would see a night and day difference. Plus the whole we tried that and they dont get it is crap as well. You ask them to play close at the start but run back to the same drops as before.... Um duh of course it dont work. Sorry so long but thats my rant. That is all

 

[NateDogg]

I agree with everything you said except the mention of Morris in #1. He isn't great, but he is a lot better that other QB's that we have had on the roster; even in our heyday. Crudup, Berlin, Wright, Kelly (Kenny), Freeman, Marve, Harris, etc.

You hit it out of the park on #3. That **** needed to be fixed a long time ago. Yeah, DP is all swollen up, but he can't move now. Golden needs to stop the micro-managing bull**** and hire a real S&C coach and let him do his **** job.

morris couldn't hold Brock's notebook, we would be lucky to have another qb like him

 

[fastcane]

Spot on, except I think you give them too much credit. DP, 5-7 round, the others might not get picked at all. Howard would probably do poorly in the speed testing too.

I took a look at our defensive 2-deep. If they were all eligible for the 2014 NFL draft, I'd guess DP will be a 3rd or 4th rounder. Maybe 2 others would be day 3. Howard, Gunter, Chick? 6th round right now? Everyone else? UFA. So basically one guy who should even be starting at Miami (and probably as our 2nd or 3rd best LB not our best), and 21 other guys who are either not good enough or are starting when they should be backups coming up.

Forget the recruiting rankings and the color of the jersey. Tell me I'm wrong and who. Please. Cause it's depressing.

 

[FullyERicht]

Again, it's not just one thing. The players aren't being put in a good position at all, but that doesn't excuse horrendous individual play from zero talent. And the lack of talent doesn't excuse a completely inability of our staff to get a single stop.

 

[MIA42178]

We aren't more talented than Duke ? Wake?

Our athletes can't grasp a scheme in 3 years? With 4 years of eligibility? That's not coach's fault?

 

[FullyERicht]

We aren't more talented than Duke ? Wake?

Our athletes can't grasp a scheme in 3 years? With 4 years of eligibility? That's not coach's fault?

How many times in one thread does it need to be explained that it's not one thing???

Our entire front seven is comprised of 2 and 3 star guys outside of Chick and DP. And Chick and DP were 4-3 players that in an effort to gain strength have lost flexibility and speed. Pierre, Porter, Renfrow, Gaines, and Cornelius AREN'T TALENTED.

And yes, the scheme blows. If we had the 2003 team though it wouldn't look so bad, but it certainly wouldn't be the elite defense we had. If the 2003 staff had these players it wouldn't be the #2 defense either. It wouldn't be even near the top 20. The reason we are so abysmal is a perfect storm of ****, not just one single thing.

 

[Pennmed Canefan]

With respect to the defense "quitting" you have to understand that anyone would quit if they keep banging their head against a wall. What do you do when you are trying but are completely confused. When you listen and try to apply things and get zero result? It's nice to think that you'll just try harder but you've tried that approach for many games and it's not working. When you see no potential for success you get frustrated and shut down. It's inevitable.

Regarding Swasey everybody was all excited with our huge team earlier this year and our OL seems to be doing fine. You can pair whatever strength coach you want with these defensive coaches and it won't matter. Nobody is going to look god in this. They cannot execute and they've given up. They had the physicality to handle UF when UF was intereseted. They have the physicality to handle duke and vt but mentally they arent invested due to their coaching

YES, they have increased their size to handle one dimensional power run teams. But they lost a ton of speed flexibility and explosiveness. That's the issue. It's either one or the other and THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

The beginning of the year we tackled well too. Now we are sluggish, get pushed around like rag dolls. THAT'S A POORLY CONDITIONED TEAM. Every year for a decade we run out of gas by November. WTF does scheme have anything to do with our players not being able to physically handle a full season?????. How many failed regimes can one guy survive with atrresults.

You sound like you're just ranting. Who is this "they" you're referencing? Gaines lost explosiveness? Cornelius? Chick? Shayon? These guys weren't explosive to begin with. Furthermore GOLDEN wanted the team bigger. GOLDEN wanted perryman at 240. Swasey's directive is to get him there, not to argue. The trade off will be some speed for SOME guys--McCord doesn't look like he's lost much, for instance. The problem with the defense is that we don't have talented players and what little ability they have is being obscured by a DC who can't figure out that you need to do one thing well before you do 900 things. That's not the fault of the s/c coach. It's the fault of the guy who wants to make miami some oversized team and/or his dc who can't figure out what to do with players of any size.

Do you really think the players are all "out of gas" or are they defeated? The OL doesn't look out of gas. The defense has given up.

 

[bomb]

Spot on, except I think you give them too much credit. DP, 5-7 round, the others might not get picked at all. Howard would probably do poorly in the speed testing too.

I took a look at our defensive 2-deep. If they were all eligible for the 2014 NFL draft, I'd guess DP will be a 3rd or 4th rounder. Maybe 2 others would be day 3. Howard, Gunter, Chick? 6th round right now? Everyone else? UFA. So basically one guy who should even be starting at Miami (and probably as our 2nd or 3rd best LB not our best), and 21 other guys who are either not good enough or are starting when they should be backups coming up.

Forget the recruiting rankings and the color of the jersey. Tell me I'm wrong and who. Please. Cause it's depressing.

You're right. I'm not sure Howard has the speed to play CB in the NFL.

 

[FullyERicht]

With respect to the defense "quitting" you have to understand that anyone would quit if they keep banging their head against a wall. What do you do when you are trying but are completely confused. When you listen and try to apply things and get zero result? It's nice to think that you'll just try harder but you've tried that approach for many games and it's not working. When you see no potential for success you get frustrated and shut down. It's inevitable.

Regarding Swasey everybody was all excited with our huge team earlier this year and our OL seems to be doing fine. You can pair whatever strength coach you want with these defensive coaches and it won't matter. Nobody is going to look god in this. They cannot execute and they've given up. They had the physicality to handle UF when UF was intereseted. They have the physicality to handle duke and vt but mentally they arent invested due to their coaching

YES, they have increased their size to handle one dimensional power run teams. But they lost a ton of speed flexibility and explosiveness. That's the issue. It's either one or the other and THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

The beginning of the year we tackled well too. Now we are sluggish, get pushed around like rag dolls. THAT'S A POORLY CONDITIONED TEAM. Every year for a decade we run out of gas by November. WTF does scheme have anything to do with our players not being able to physically handle a full season?????. How many failed regimes can one guy survive with atrresults.

You sound like you're just ranting. Who is this "they" you're referencing? Gaines lost explosiveness? Cornelius? Chick? Shayon? These guys weren't explosive to begin with. Furthermore GOLDEN wanted the team bigger. GOLDEN wanted perryman at 240. Swasey's directive is to get him there, not to argue. The trade off will be some speed for SOME guys--McCord doesn't look like he's lost much, for instance. The problem with the defense is that we don't have talented players and what little ability they have is being obscured by a DC who can't figure out that you need to do one thing well before you do 900 things. That's not the fault of the s/c coach. It's the fault of the guy who wants to make miami some oversized team and/or his dc who can't figure out what to do with players of any size.

Do you really think the players are all "out of gas" or are they defeated? The OL doesn't look out of gas. The defense has given up.

Why would they be defeated going into a home game as a top 15 team playing for the costal title? Or as a top
25 team playing for it again? They have nothing left in the tank.

I am ranting. I'm ****ed off. I said three years ago that keeping Swasey and Barrow was a mistake. I am tired of getting embarrassed late in the year bc we can't take anymore. I'm watching the same movie over and over again, and I never liked it the first time!

 

[BucCANEers]

........With at least one of the following: (aka, it's not just one issue, folks)

1) Green, Porter, Pierre, Gaines, Cornelius, AJ, Rodgers, Morris, Walford, Cleveland.....these kids all had no business being offered to play here, let alone comprise 50% of the starting lineup!

2) the kids on defense were all recruited for a completely different scheme. Chickillo is a 4-3 DE. When you switch to a 3-4, he has two options: Play OLB, which he is too slow for, or bulk the kid up and play the DE spot (which is a very physically demanding, 2-gap spot). So the kid bulks up, and is actually holding his own. But the increase in size killed his athleticism, and he is basically a JAG. Wasted talent, but none of the upper class men were meant to play in a 3-4.

3) the kids got bigger, but not more explosive. The Nebraska teams we used to **** on in the 80's and early 90's were all bigger than us. Guarantee they could all bench press more too. But football power is simple physics: force = mass x acceleration. Skinny and fast GENERATES THE SAME FORCE AS BIG AND SLOW. The job of the staff, and specifically the S and C program, is to find the ideal balance at which a players speed and size generates the ideal amount of "force" which we see as explosiveness. So DP may be stronger, but he hits with the same force, AND is slower sideline to sideline. Simple math.

Al Golden is not a strength coach; either let Swasey do his job (and we've seen what that looks like), or bring in someone who can get real results. Tanking in November every year gets very very old.

4) the scheme: as I've written before, if you are going to play this base defense you either need a dominant pair of OLB, or a well designed package of blitzes. We have neither. Zone based defenses are all interconnected. It's like a leaky ship, you plug one hole another bursts. And our staff is completely incapable of stopping the leak once it springs bc they are helplessly dependent on everything working in concert. There are no backup plans, no package of well designed some blitzes. It is amateur hour, and D'Ono absolutely has to be fired.

The system is a joke. The players do lack talent. The offseason programs are still ineffective.

Fire D'No, Swasey, and spend some goddam money, recruit like the have, and we can fix things. Anything less is a concession to mediocrity.........

Im gonna be a troll and disagree. So, just your thread name can be wrong.

1) Green, Porter, Pierre, Gaines, Cornelius, AJ, Rodgers, Morris, Walford, Cleveland all deserve to be here. Some of the best players

2) Chickillo can play in any defense. He is that good, 4-3, 3-4, 2-5, 1-6, 0-7

3) Wrong. Megatron is big and fast and you can always use duct tape to plug the holes

4) I had success with the Canes D on Ncaa football. Just play a 5-2 and blitz both linebackers. The o-line cant stop it. Plus you can always look at the opponents screen and see what he is calling.

 

[Pennmed Canefan]

With respect to the defense "quitting" you have to understand that anyone would quit if they keep banging their head against a wall. What do you do when you are trying but are completely confused. When you listen and try to apply things and get zero result? It's nice to think that you'll just try harder but you've tried that approach for many games and it's not working. When you see no potential for success you get frustrated and shut down. It's inevitable.

Regarding Swasey everybody was all excited with our huge team earlier this year and our OL seems to be doing fine. You can pair whatever strength coach you want with these defensive coaches and it won't matter. Nobody is going to look god in this. They cannot execute and they've given up. They had the physicality to handle UF when UF was intereseted. They have the physicality to handle duke and vt but mentally they arent invested due to their coaching

YES, they have increased their size to handle one dimensional power run teams. But they lost a ton of speed flexibility and explosiveness. That's the issue. It's either one or the other and THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

The beginning of the year we tackled well too. Now we are sluggish, get pushed around like rag dolls. THAT'S A POORLY CONDITIONED TEAM. Every year for a decade we run out of gas by November. WTF does scheme have anything to do with our players not being able to physically handle a full season?????. How many failed regimes can one guy survive with atrresults.

You sound like you're just ranting. Who is this "they" you're referencing? Gaines lost explosiveness? Cornelius? Chick? Shayon? These guys weren't explosive to begin with. Furthermore GOLDEN wanted the team bigger. GOLDEN wanted perryman at 240. Swasey's directive is to get him there, not to argue. The trade off will be some speed for SOME guys--McCord doesn't look like he's lost much, for instance. The problem with the defense is that we don't have talented players and what little ability they have is being obscured by a DC who can't figure out that you need to do one thing well before you do 900 things. That's not the fault of the s/c coach. It's the fault of the guy who wants to make miami some oversized team and/or his dc who can't figure out what to do with players of any size.

Do you really think the players are all "out of gas" or are they defeated? The OL doesn't look out of gas. The defense has given up.

Why would they be defeated going into a home game as a top 15 team playing for the costal title? Or as a top
25 team playing for it again? They have nothing left in the tank.

I am ranting. I'm ****ed off. I said three years ago that keeping Swasey and Barrow was a mistake. I am tired of getting embarrassed late in the year bc we can't take anymore. I'm watching the same movie over and over again, and I never liked it the first time!

The defense is defeated because beginning with UNC they've realized that they aren't any different than last year and they can't stop a competent pass offense that does not self-destruct. The stakes have little to do with that. They know when they go out on the field that they have no chance to be successful. You can rah rah as much as you want but it's not going to change that fact. So yeah, at some point you are defeated.

Who cares about the coastal anyway? That's just a one way ticket to fsu scoring 70 on us. It's not like the coastal is a bcs game.

 

[Canesfan1899]

the defense has flat out quit. it was embarrassing

This, we gave up 48 points to dook.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

Oh man how did this turn into a Fire Swassey thread? Swassey is the LEAST of our worries right now. Seriously, if you were paying attention last night, our DL didnt get manhandled because of Swassey. When we want to, we can collapse a pocket, but Donofrio seems TERRIFIED of mobile QBs and instead just has them playing on their heels. I also think the team has somewhat quit. At least the defense has.

I pretty much agree with most of what the OP said. Its what Ive been saying all week. Its not just a "fire Donofrio" issue. That's clearly something that has to be done, but our problems run deeper than that. We have a bunch JAGs as upperclassmen, and on top of that, they are running a system they arent suited for. We have young guys, but they have no idea what they are doing. This "system" is way too complicated.

Look, when we keep saying Highsmith trotted out there every week, I think we have to realize how attrocious our talent really is. Yes we have some young guys, but they obviously must not have a clue what they are doing. I cannot fathom ANY coach that wants to keep their job would WILLINGLY play AJ Highsmith if they have ANYONE else even remotely capable to replace him with.

 

[FullyERicht]

I just feel that we have now gone total opposite S and C wise. Why is this man incapable of producing a fast, agile, AND strong team? Why does he need golden to come in and create a system for him?