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I think 9 wins (what the model predicts) is plenty for us to finish with a top 6 recruiting class easy. I know some say we might even be higher which I definitely think we could but I’ll be very, very happy with 9 wins and a top 6 class
 
JD4 said:
I think 9 wins (what the model predicts) is plenty for us to finish with a top 6 recruiting class easy. I know some say we might even be higher which I definitely think we could but I’ll be very, very happy with 9 wins and a top 6 class
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Especially if we beat A&M and FSU and if we look competitive in all of our losses
 
JD4 said:
Especially if we beat A&M and FSU and if we look competitive in all of our losses
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So, if we beat AtM and FSU, then where are the 3 losses coming from because I don't see it?

Obviously, Clemson on the road, but do you think anyone is going to be happy losing 3 games after a big road win against a top 10 team in a hostile environment? That would mean losing at least 2 games in the Coastal. Quite frankly, I'll be disappointed losing to any Coastal team because the division isn't that good this year. We have absolutely no business losing to any Coastal team.

9 wins is the floor. This should be a 10-2 or 11-1 season. Just about every Coastal team is rebuilding.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
So, if we beat AtM and FSU, then where are the 3 losses coming from because I don't see it?

Obviously, Clemson on the road, but do you think anyone is going to be happy losing 3 games after a big road win against a top 10 team in a hostile environment? That would mean losing at least 2 games in the Coastal. Quite frankly, I'll be disappointed losing to any Coastal team because the division isn't that good this year. We have absolutely no business losing to any Coastal team.

9 wins is the floor. This should be a 10-2 or 11-1 season. Just about every Coastal team is rebuilding.
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I’d be happy with 9 I’d be even happier with 10 or 11 lol

I think unfortunately we’ll lose at least one game we should win. If we lose two games we should win but we beat A&M I’ll be happier than losing to A&M and losing to Duke + another game we should win.

Beating FSU is also a big priority
 
It’s as much how we look on the road at A&M and Clemson. We need to look like we belong in those types of games physically. Very interested to see how far behind A&M we are in the trenches. What a measuring stick, wish the game was at home.
 
Beating A&M and losing to anyone other than Clemson this year won’t set right with my spirit…. Along with not looking like we belong on the same field in losses. We have to be above that now.
 
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JD4 said:
I think 9 wins (what the model predicts) is plenty for us to finish with a top 6 recruiting class easy. I know some say we might even be higher which I definitely think we could but I’ll be very, very happy with 9 wins and a top 6 class
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We can probably afford to lose a game or two..as long as Mario and staff are keeping the committed, committed.

Those other guys all know that this is a game of chess right now..and it happens every season with teams that get hot recruiting early in the season.

We can't afford to lose games that we're supposed to win, and honestly this season we're supposed to win the Coastal, regardless.

It's all about getting to the ACC ship at the very least...and making sure we have something to continue to sell recruits, besides preseason hype.
 
I don't get it.

8 points. We lost what - three games by a total of 8 points last year?

Had we come up with 11 more points LAST season - we'd have been 10-2.

Under the * * * * show we had last year -

We seemingly always came out flat as a pool table - we couldn't block squat, we couldn't tackle, and our defense was almost always defending the wrong things - thanks to our stellar Defensive Coordinator.

Either we're better coached, we have better analysts and more of them, we have much better position coaches, better coordinators and game planners, a brand new ability to make halftime adjustments, and a whole, new, mentality - or we don't.

Got some difference makers we brought in on defense and offense -

And we're supposed to win only 9 games?

I call BS!
 
UMFarArcher said:
I don't get it.

8 points. We lost what - three games by a total of 8 points last year?

Had we come up with 11 more points LAST season - we'd have been 10-2.

Under the * * * * show we had last year -

We seemingly always came out flat as a pool table - we couldn't block squat, we couldn't tackle, and our defense was almost always defending the wrong things - thanks to our stellar Defensive Coordinator.

Either we're better coached, we have better analysts and more of them, we have much better position coaches, better coordinators and game planners, a brand new ability to make halftime adjustments, and a whole, new, mentality - or we don't.

Got some difference makers we brought in on defense and offense -

And we're supposed to win only 9 games?

I call BS!
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Right. BUT, had we scored 10 fewer points, we'd have been 4-8. You do know that logic works both ways right?
 
9-3 sounds about right. A&M is certainly beatable, and if anyone knows how to fire up an inferior team (on paper) in a hostile environment, it’s Mario. However, I think they’ll wear us down late and grind away.

The schedule actually looks relatively favorable in terms of divisional matchups and let-down spots; for example…

- Opening ACC play with UNC at home, think we come out fired up there. Mario’s first conference game, he’ll be looking to make a statement.

- Getting Pitt at home at the end of the year, with some humidity for the Panthers to deal with…decent spot. Able to semi-recuperate in between Clemson and Pitt with a trip to GT, who should be a wounded dog ready to be put to sleep by that point in the season.

- A trip to Blacksburg early in conference play (right after UNC), where first year coach Brent Pry has his work cut out for him. Never easy heading up there, but I’d rather do it in the first half of the season; moreover, they’ll be in a big rebuilding phase and reliant on Marshall transfer Grant Wells to ignite their anemic passing attack.

I’m a bit concerned with a trip to UVA just before FSU. The Cavaliers will be a fiesty team this year and bring back a fair amount of guys, headlined by Armstrong. Win total set at 7.5, should be a tough out but a game we should nonetheless win.

8-4 would be disappointing but not out of the realm of possibility. Certainly not “let’s panic and question Mario as a game-day coach”. 9-3 with a ceiling of 10-2 is my best guess.
 
kryptonite said:
Right. BUT, had we scored 10 fewer points, we'd have been 4-8. You do know that logic works both ways right?
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Logic works both ways?

Fact: We have a much more experienced, much more talented, much more effective support staff, and we have a HC that will NOT let us come out flat every game, until we start getting warmed up and have to come from behind.

So how does the improvement in Coaching and Staff - AND some fresh experience in major holes we had - somehow morph from a clear positive - into a negative in the equation?

That would be ILLOGICAL.
 
WeBallinBoyz said:
9-3 sounds about right. A&M is certainly beatable, and if anyone knows how to fire up an inferior team (on paper) in a hostile environment, it’s Mario. However, I think they’ll wear us down late and grind away.

The schedule actually looks relatively favorable in terms of divisional matchups and let-down spots; for example…

- Opening ACC play with UNC at home, think we come out fired up there. Mario’s first conference game, he’ll be looking to make a statement.

- Getting Pitt at home at the end of the year, with some humidity for the Panthers to deal with…decent spot. Able to semi-recuperate in between Clemson and Pitt with a trip to GT, who should be a wounded dog ready to be put to sleep by that point in the season.

- A trip to Blacksburg early in conference play (right after UNC), where first year coach Brent Pry has his work cut out for him. Never easy heading up there, but I’d rather do it in the first half of the season; moreover, they’ll be in a big rebuilding phase and reliant on Marshall transfer Grant Wells to ignite their anemic passing attack.

I’m a bit concerned with a trip to UVA just before FSU. The Cavaliers will be a fiesty team this year and bring back a fair amount of guys, headlined by Armstrong. Win total set at 7.5, should be a tough out but a game we should nonetheless win.

8-4 would be disappointing but not out of the realm of possibility. Certainly not “let’s panic and question Mario as a game-day coach”. 9-3 with a ceiling of 10-2 is my best guess.
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A&M doesn’t have enough dudes on offense to wear us down. We got a two deep on defense and can keep guys fresh. A lot of guys who have played A LOT of snaps on defense. They have a below average QB and won’t be able to keep the sticks moving enough to grind out a long drives to keep TVD and our stable of backs off the field. We could possibly put on a track meet with our stable of backs and TVD slinging it.
 
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UMFarArcher said:
Logic works both ways?

Fact: We have a much more experienced, much more talented, much more effective support staff, and we have a HC that will NOT let us come out flat every game, until we start getting warmed up and have to come from behind.

So how does the improvement in Coaching and Staff - AND some fresh experience in major holes we had - somehow morph from a clear positive - into a negative in the equation?

That would be ILLOGICAL.
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I didn't say any of that. What I said was that if you want to play "if we'd just scored xx more points..." then you should acknowledge that it works both ways. We lost close games, but we won close games too. So miss me with that sunshine logic, we were just as close to horrible as we were to respectable.
 
kryptonite said:
I didn't say any of that. What I said was that if you want to play "if we'd just scored xx more points..." then you should acknowledge that it works both ways. We lost close games, but we won close games too. So miss me with that sunshine logic, we were just as close to horrible as we were to respectable.
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You're still missing it.

That was LAST year. Manny and crew. You're still stuck in the past decade of our annual * * * * show.

This year - we've already improved on every facet of the game - coaching, player development, new, experienced players to fill holes, new attitude, new emphasis on hitting, new emphasis on tackling, new and I dare say more and better analysts, better position coaches, better coordinators - we have position coaches who have won National Championships as Coordinators.

With this team we'll field THIS season - we eliminated a few "horribles," decreased a few more, and increased our "respectables." That should be worth a few more games than last year - and I expect those three losses by 8 points? We'll find the points to win those games.

Get over it.

Or choke on it. I have no preference.
 
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KingB02 said:
A&M doesn’t have enough dudes on offense to wear us down. We got a two deep on defense and can keep guys fresh. A lot of guys who have played A LOT of snaps on defense. They have a below average QB and won’t be able to keep the sticks moving enough to grind out a long drives to keep TVD and our stable of backs off the field. We could possibly put on a track meet with our stable of backs and TVD slinging it.
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Yeah. T A&M are clearly not there yet, either. TVD may just put on an aerial circus like Baron Von Richthoven, and run THEIR asses into the ground.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
So, if we beat AtM and FSU, then where are the 3 losses coming from because I don't see it?

Obviously, Clemson on the road, but do you think anyone is going to be happy losing 3 games after a big road win against a top 10 team in a hostile environment? That would mean losing at least 2 games in the Coastal. Quite frankly, I'll be disappointed losing to any Coastal team because the division isn't that good this year. We have absolutely no business losing to any Coastal team.

9 wins is the floor. This should be a 10-2 or 11-1 season. Just about every Coastal team is rebuilding.
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I'm with you on this one. Clemson on the road may be too much to ask this year, and maybe one of those games that nothing goes right VaTech ?, but if we beat TAMU then it is difficult to find 2-3 losses.
 
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