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Do the Canes need a dedicated QB Coach???? If we have one, what does he do?

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So much talk about Bailey, Sorsby, Hoover, Mestemaker, etc Each one has his flaws or drawbacks. The Canes have been fortunate to bring in two experienced and competent QBs the past two seasons and finding someone who can fill those shoes seems to be a challenge.

Last cycle Fernando Mendoza was a controversial QB in terms of potential, etc. He proved the doubters wrong with his success at Indiana. He certainly showed flashes of his talent versus the Canes last fall but I don't think anyone would have projected him to have the success he has had.

I saw this article about Mendoza and how the staff at Indiana prepared him for the season. It struck me again that Miami hasn't had a dedicated QB coach in a few years. Dawson is listed as the QB coach/OC but I don't think many would disagree that we haven't really seen signs of HS QB development. Each year for the past couple of years we are hitting the portal for a more game ready, successful QB. Has Dawson helped "tweak" some of the weaknesses Cam and Beck came to the Miami with? IDK. I think alot contributed to Cam's success, not the least of which was the personnel he was surrounded by. I think the book is still out on Carson Beck.

This article about Mendoza and the process he and the QB coach at Indiana followed is very interesting. Mendoza gives alot of credit for his success to the QB coach as well as their OC and Cignetti.

It got me thinking that maybe this is a position we need to invest in - especially if we are ever going to develop any of the young guys we are bringing in. Maybe Dawson has an assistant who works with the QBs to do these things. It isn't really ever talked about and I don't think we've seen any evidence of it yet.

This system requires guys who are smart and motivated to be the best they can be. Alot of work required on their own. It seems llike Cam and Carson are investing this time themselves, at least as far as film work.

Food for thought.

 
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Like almost every college football team, our QB coach is our OC.

I’m still skeptical if Dawson can develop a quarterback. His offenses have historically done well when he inherits a starter or has an experienced transfer. The only quarterback he’s ever had to develop was Clayton Tune at Houston.
 
Did anyone see that guy/kid talking and reviewing everything with the BYU QB?
****, he looked younger than the QB but he was the only one talking with him every second on the sideline. Could have been a GA but he was going over the plays on the IPad and talking with him on timeouts.
 
Mendoza went from Cal with a .500 roster to a 11 win team with 2 really good receivers. Stat wise, not much changed except for TD passes (Sarrat/Cooper have 24 of them I believe). So what developed?

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Every team has QB analysts and coaches. All of these QBs work on their own with throwing coaches, strength coaches, etc.

Honestly great for Mendoza but this is a ridiculously bad year for offenses and QBs. If it were last year he would have been 6th-8th for the heisman.

Development is an overused term. Does Hartline “develop” WRs or does he sign 3-4 5*/high 4* and 50% of them get drafted as 1st round picks. We signed a bunch of 3* talent and expect them to “develop” into the next Cam Ward. If there were a coach that does that regularly he’d be making 4-5 million a year as a OC/QB coach.
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Gi0logy said:
I think what you're probably referencing is a QB specific coach that strictly focuses on QB development.

I'm pretty sure we already have that in Max Drisko: https://247sports.com/college/miami...canes-football-shannon-dawson-more-204926087/
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His bio reads more of a play calling specialist rather than QB coach. And there is a distinct difference between the two.
We do need a dedicated QB that should be focused on mechanics, especially with our non-starting qbs.

In a perfect world, we have a qb whisperer who works with the freshman as that would give us a chance to get a multi year starter that some of you think we should look for in the portal.
 
rascon said:
His bio reads more of a play calling specialist rather than QB coach. And there is a distinct difference between the two.
We do need a dedicated QB that should be focused on mechanics, especially with our non-starting qbs.

In a perfect world, we have a qb whisperer who works with the freshman as that would give us a chance to get a multi year starter that some of you think we should look for in the portal.
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Every QB has their own mechanics coach.
 
canefan96 said:
Did anyone see that guy/kid talking and reviewing everything with the BYU QB?
****, he looked younger than the QB but he was the only one talking with him every second on the sideline. Could have been a GA but he was going over the plays on the IPad and talking with him on timeouts.
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Well at BYU there’s a chance he is younger lol.
 
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rascon said:
His bio reads more of a play calling specialist rather than QB coach. And there is a distinct difference between the two.
We do need a dedicated QB that should be focused on mechanics, especially with our non-starting qbs.

In a perfect world, we have a qb whisperer who works with the freshman as that would give us a chance to get a multi year starter that some of you think we should look for in the portal.
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Is there a large pool of QB whisperer’s that don’t eventually get bumped up to playcalling responsibilities? That’s basically the path every legit QB developer takes.

So if you’re hoping to find some QB developing guru that only does that, you’re probably going to be getting young private session types that get hired by parents. And honestly, I’m not sure how good those types of guys actually are.
 
PennsylvaniaCane said:
Throwing to 2 receivers far better than anything he had at Cal will do that.
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Hunter at Cal was a higher rated prospect than Surratt a JMU transfer and a pair of 3* guys. Cignetti is a great eval and dev coach and Mendoza played some good ball. Mendoza's old TE was a 4* transfer prospect that went to Texas.
 
“QB development” has become a lie. There are special guys like Cam and then guys like Bo Nix, and Jayden Daniels who play so much football they get better. But in terms of “developing” that’s mostly a myth. College offenses are built to make things easier for the QB and to score points. They aren’t there to make them better pro prospects.

A grandpa spent 5 years on the couch and immediately commanded an NFL offense better than almost anyone under the age of 30 this past month. Unfortunately for the Colts the arm just isn’t there anymore. Idk what else you needed to see to prove my point.
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
“QB development” has become a lie. There are special guys like Cam and then guys like Bo Nix, and Jayden Daniels who play so much football they get better. But in terms of “developing” that’s mostly a myth. College offenses are built to make things easier for the QB and to score points. They aren’t there to make them better pro prospects.

A grandpa spent 5 years on the couch and immediately commanded an NFL offense better than almost anyone under the age of 30 this past month. Unfortunately for the Colts the arm just isn’t there anymore. Idk what else you needed to see to prove my point.
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Definitely agree with that. Between specialization and QB coaches, 7 on 7 and offenses being simplified more than ever on he college level, it seems like we’re getting worse QB play than ever across the sport. The most important part of development seems to be reps. Cignetti seems to be one of the best coaches in CFB but crowning him as this magical QB development guy based on Mendoza who had a good season but was really the tallest little person among QBs this year. Meh.
 
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AllAboutTheU said:
Definitely agree with that. Between specialization and QB coaches, 7 on 7 and offenses being simplified more than ever on he college level, it seems like we’re getting worse QB play than ever across the sport. The most important part of development seems to be reps. Cignetti seems to be one of the best coaches in CFB but crowning him as this magical QB development guy based on Mendoza who had a good season but was really the tallest little person among QBs this year. Meh.
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Cignetti runs an offense that is QB friendly. The reason i didn’t care that Mendoza won the Heisman was bc there is no evidence that he would’ve done any better than Beck, if he was here. Take a look at his game by game numbers. Outside of his big day against Illinois, he was pedestrian against good teams, and destroyed bad ones.
 
SURE WE DO….HE’S ONE OF OUR PART-TIME BASEBALL COACHES DEDICATED IN HOW TO SLIDE SAFELY 1YARD BEFORE THE FIRST DOWN MARKER WITHOUT GETTING INJURED…
 
PennsylvaniaCane said:
Throwing to 2 receivers far better than anything he had at Cal will do that.
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It's not just having better personnel. It's about the prep work all week.

I don't remember which NFL game it was recently but there was a fairly long discourse on QBs coming into the league not knowing how to prepare for NFL games. How to prepare for game plans, etc.

My point in sharing this article is the detail work that has gone into preparing Mendoza to execute fully on game day. It's about the physical development of his tools but it's also about the work that needs to be done to fully control the offense on the field.

Dawson has yet to show us a QB he brought in that is ready to lead a team. Why is that? Poor evaluation? Not enough time spent developing them?

It seems to me there is a reason Cignetti has been so successful recently, particularly with this QBs. There's a plan and it seems to be pretty thorough
 
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