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Curious to see what you guys think is the best option. Obviously Manny is a defensive minded head coach and I think it’s working against him. He wanted an uptempo offense so he found an OC to make it happen. Why not do the same on defense? You want a defense that creates TFL and turnovers, find a DC and staff who can do it. Then as the CEO you hold the coaches and the players accountable if they aren’t fulfilling the vision.

Saban is a defensive minded head coach with a million analysts to make his system work.

Dabo seems to be more of a CEO who allows his coordinators to work his vision.

Urban seems like an offensive mind who operated like a CEO.
 
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Reppingtheu said:
Curious to see what you guys think is the best option. Obviously Manny is a defensive minded head coach and I think it’s working against him. He wanted an uptempo offense so he found an OC to make it happen. Why not do the same on defense? You want a defense that creates TFL and turnovers, find a DC and staff who can do it. Then as the CEO you hold the coaches and the players accountable if they aren’t fulfilling the vision.

Saban is a defensive minded head coach with a million analysts to make his system work.

Dabo seems to be more of a CEO who allows his coordinators to work his vision.

Urban seems like an offensive mind who operated like a CEO.
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If Manny ever hopes to remain a Head Coach, without ever needing to take a DC job in the future, he needs to hire a strong DC and become an executive head coach.

"Calling the plays" can be fun and/or necessary for a year or so, but it usually ends up costing a college HC his job in time. Yes, there are some exceptions, I just don't think Manny is that exception.
 
Reppingtheu said:
Why not do the same on defense? You want a defense that creates TFL and turnovers, find a DC and staff who can do it.
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I think the problem is that he thought he did that already. He has his system that does/did what you are saying and he thought Baker could come in and continue the success. The issue is that Baker can't call the D as well as Manny and/or other teams have figured out how to exploit it. Either way, Manny obviously needs to look at making changes.
 
Reppingtheu said:
Curious to see what you guys think is the best option. Obviously Manny is a defensive minded head coach and I think it’s working against him. He wanted an uptempo offense so he found an OC to make it happen. Why not do the same on defense? You want a defense that creates TFL and turnovers, find a DC and staff who can do it. Then as the CEO you hold the coaches and the players accountable if they aren’t fulfilling the vision.

Saban is a defensive minded head coach with a million analysts to make his system work.

Dabo seems to be more of a CEO who allows his coordinators to work his vision.

Urban seems like an offensive mind who operated like a CEO.
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the more appropriate question is: is manny willing to change from a specialist to a ceo?

the next couple months will be interesting. canes fans are haunted by golden and richt's blind loyalty to d'onofrio and jon richt, respectively. manny has a better track record of making changes. i'm optimistic.
 
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ben said:
the more appropriate question is: is manny willing to change from a specialist to a ceo?

the next couple months will be interesting. canes fans are haunted by golden and richt's blind loyalty to d'onofrio and jon richt, respectively. manny has a better track record of making changes. i'm optimistic.
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Truth.
 
As a first time HC you would think you’d want the best coordinators you could hire to make sure you get to keep that job. I don’t understand the need for someone to run your system or something very similar.
 
JD08 said:
This is one of those questions where it's more art than science. In this situation, Manny needs to step into the CEO role fully and let a DC come in and take over that side of the ball.
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Manny will be second guessing all the way, so no one can come in and take over.
He has to have his hand in it, someway or the other. Don't think he can step away into a CEO role.
 
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Saban is more the CEO but will coach up DBs.
Dabo is full on CEO
Jimbo is an offensive guy and willing to call plays if needed plus coach up QBs.
Urban is an offensive guy and willing to call plays if needed plus coach up QBs.
Mack Brown is full on CEO

It doesn't hurt to have the skillset to take over one side of the team. Turn over happens, be it self created (this year please) or coaches leaving on their own. I also believe Manny has the right skill set to be a good CEO type that can chip in on the D side when needed.
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
As a first time HC you would think you’d want the best coordinators you could hire to make sure you get to keep that job. I don’t understand the need for someone to run your system or something very similar.
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Unless you believe in your system so much that you think it is the best way to keep your job. I am not saying it is, but rather that Manny probably views it as the reason he is where he is.

As I said before, either Baker just isn't able to call his system and/or others have figured it out. Manny needs to decide if the solution is to find someone else who can execute his system better or (what seems more likely) bring in someone who is proven that runs a different system.
 
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Reppingtheu said:
Curious to see what you guys think is the best option. Obviously Manny is a defensive minded head coach and I think it’s working against him. He wanted an uptempo offense so he found an OC to make it happen. Why not do the same on defense? You want a defense that creates TFL and turnovers, find a DC and staff who can do it. Then as the CEO you hold the coaches and the players accountable if they aren’t fulfilling the vision.

Saban is a defensive minded head coach with a million analysts to make his system work.

Dabo seems to be more of a CEO who allows his coordinators to work his vision.

Urban seems like an offensive mind who operated like a CEO.
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Urban only coaches special teams.
 
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Over time, I would argue the CEO HC model is the most "successful". I would further it by saying even the HC who started their tenure with the "specialist" moniker grew to become a CEO overtime.

Remember, even CEOs were at one point considered a high performing "specialist"*.

*Being a "generalist" has also long been considered a "specialty" as well.
 
Shogungts said:
Unless you believe in your system so much that you think it is the best way to keep your job. I am not saying it is, but rather that Manny probably views it as the reason he is where he is.

As I said before, either Baker just isn't able to call his system and/or others have figured it out. Manny needs to decide if the solution is to find someone else who can execute his system better or (what seems more likely) bring in someone who is proven that runs a different system.
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Im sure that’s exactly what Manny was thinking but hiring a guy to run your system is risky bc they obviously aren’t you. Its been said on here that qualified people wanted to help Manny make both hires like I’m saying he should have and he refused. Which fits in line with his smartest guy in the room syndrome. That’s his biggest hurdle
 
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Reppingtheu said:
Curious to see what you guys think is the best option. Obviously Manny is a defensive minded head coach and I think it’s working against him. He wanted an uptempo offense so he found an OC to make it happen. Why not do the same on defense? You want a defense that creates TFL and turnovers, find a DC and staff who can do it. Then as the CEO you hold the coaches and the players accountable if they aren’t fulfilling the vision.

Saban is a defensive minded head coach with a million analysts to make his system work.

Dabo seems to be more of a CEO who allows his coordinators to work his vision.

Urban seems like an offensive mind who operated like a CEO.
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I think the distinction is mostly a misunderstanding or illusion. Head coaching is a CEO job. That's a fact. If someone's background was a top coordinator, people think that's their role as HC. If someone's background was anything else, they call them CEO. But it's not a helpful way to understand the job or what makes someone good at it. If someone can't be a CEO, they fail as HC. Some coordinators can be CEOs, some other types can be. There's more than one 'model' of CEO but they all need to do a few things. Set an agenda, goals, culture. Pick their people (support, staff, players), create processes and implement them, motivate and manage and delegate and follow-up. That's what leaders do. That's how a complicated business of CFB comes together.

Jimmy J was a defensive mind, but look at the staff he recruited to work for him. Butch had a great staff. Great people following you is a pretty good indication that you're smart and liked and a leader. Not proof, but sure helps. Plus, great people following you means you've got great people coaching your kids up.

So take this out of the theoretical. Manny's a DC. He should be able to recruit, hire and manage a DC. If he can't or won't, that's on him. It means good defensive minds don't respect him enough or trust him enough. Bad sign if so. (Respect as in he will teach them, they can learn from him; trust as in he'll support them and let them do their job.)
 
I would be surprised if Manny is respected enough to pull a top DC from a P5 school. He surrounded himself with 'Yes Men' from his past at NC State, Texas, Mississippi State, and LaTech, with the exception of Rumph (hired by Richt).

In the corporate world, he is the executive promoted too early in his career based on relationships rather than results.
 
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