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I understand the frustration with the 3 game losing streak although I believe it's overblown. But why are some people arguing Butch would have delivered faster results and a more overnight turnaround than Richt?

Butch started 1-3 his first year, and that was before any sanctions. Erickson was a less than spectacular recruiter but he was better than Golden. Even through 5 years Butch was 40-19. The sanctions hurt things, but it's really hard to be that impressed with anything Butch did through year 5. Kiffin was facing similar sanctions at USCw and also won about 2/3 of his games, but he was fired after 3.3 years.

Richt was 8-4 his 1st year at UGA and then 44-9 over the next 4. Granted the drop off of his career began somewhat in year 6 (2006) and especially starting year 9 (2009.)
 
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Butch was my number one choice but as i said then n now we would always lose 4-5 game maybe even 6. The roster isnt as good as people make it out to be
 
I was around back then. Butch was 1-3 but Erickson recruited bad for awhile. After we lost to Nebraska in that orange bowl when Frazier brought them back, that was bascially our last good class. once costa, chris t jones,etc were gone, we were finished.
 
Butch would be losing now too. But with Butch we know exactly what we're getting, and what he's capable of building.

There are a lot of similarities between Butch and Richt in terms of being program builders.
 
iLoveTDs said:
Butch would be losing now too. But with Butch we know exactly what we're getting, and what he's capable of building.

There are a lot of similarities between Butch and Richt in terms of being program builders.
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Big picture: parents trust Richt, his demeanor plays well in the living room. Not much other coaches can say in terms of negative recruiting other than he hasn't won a championship. Other coaches will simply tell parents that Butch is a snake who can't be trusted and just show the parents and recruits how he lied to the Miami administration, high schoolers, and his own players before leaving, then was hated by the Browns who thought he was a snake (sample quotes from Browns players "Guys didn't trust him,'' one player told Banks. "We never bought into Butch. I never saw any trust coming from the players, because we knew he was full of [crap]. Guys had just tuned him out a long time ago.''
"You can tell he's lying, because his lips are moving,'' said the player, who is no longer with Cleveland. "That's how guys feel about him. You can't trust what he says.''), then was head coach at UNC when they had a massive academic fraud scandal (I'm sure parents will feel relieved when he says the NCAA wrote me a note saying they couldn't substantiate my involvement!)

Some of you don't understand how the recruiting game is played at that level. It's not just parents, college coaches have to win over high school coaches too (which is why you often see schools that never send any players to a particular university or vice versa). You think word doesn't travel from NFL players down to powerhouse high school football programs and coaches? Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what Butch did more than 15 years ago but he's gathered way too much baggage since then. Would have been impossible for Butch to rebuild the program after losing every single 3,4,and 5 star recruit in Miami to other schools because of negative recruiting. This is the bed Davis made for himself.
 
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I was, and rapidly returning to, BBB. But Butch was the better long term solution because of his recruiting. Mark should have been much better in the short term because you would expect better coaching out of him. What I did not expect was the really bad staff Mark hired. If Kool had not been fired, we would not a one coach worthy of being here. I failed to appreciate Butch's skill at staffing. It might have been better than his recruiting. Okay that might be a bit much but how many NFL HC's has Saban turned out?

Mark was perfect choice for BOT and administration but he will never satisfy the fan base. He doesn't have that dog in him that Howard, JJ and Butch did. He is from St. Bobby's coaching tree. I don't remember any of them being successful HCs. I might be wrong but Marks is probably the most successful of them.
 
Gatorhater said:
I was, and rapidly returning to, BBB. But Butch was the better long term solution because of his recruiting. Mark should have been much better in the short term because you would expect better coaching out of him. What I did not expect was the really bad staff Mark hired. If Kool had not been fired, we would not a one coach worthy of being here. I failed to appreciate Butch's skill at staffing. It might have been better than his recruiting. Okay that might be a bit much but how many NFL HC's has Saban turned out?

Mark was perfect choice for BOT and administration but he will never satisfy the fan base. He doesn't have that dog in him that Howard, JJ and Butch did. He is from St. Bobby's coaching tree. I don't remember any of them being successful HCs. I might be wrong but Marks is probably the most successful of them.
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Long term? Isn't Butch already pushing mid 60s??? I mean he's already up there and I do not think he would be here long term.

I was part of the BBB crew but Richt will be here longer and better long term IMO.
 
Why everyone was hyped about his play calli g days at fsu i never understood that ****. Im like thats black n wite tv 240p days y would anyone want that offense? That **** dont fly in 2016
 
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Dwinstitles said:
Why everyone was hyped about his play calli g days at fsu i never understood that ****. Im like thats black n wite tv 240p days y would anyone want that offense? That **** dont fly in 2016
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Disagree. Difference was back then FSU had top talent and was better than who they lined up against. The stuff Richt is calling will work but requires our guys to be better then their guys just like Bama. Bama runs the same crap we want to run but they are better so it works. It's recruiting. Once we restock the shelves we will be able to sell the product. Unfortunately it never happens fast enough for the fans. I think we will see a significant improvement next year.
 
Gatorhater said:
I was, and rapidly returning to, BBB. But Butch was the better long term solution because of his recruiting. Mark should have been much better in the short term because you would expect better coaching out of him. What I did not expect was the really bad staff Mark hired. If Kool had not been fired, we would not a one coach worthy of being here. I failed to appreciate Butch's skill at staffing. It might have been better than his recruiting. Okay that might be a bit much but how many NFL HC's has Saban turned out?

Mark was perfect choice for BOT and administration but he will never satisfy the fan base. He doesn't have that dog in him that Howard, JJ and Butch did. He is from St. Bobby's coaching tree. I don't remember any of them being successful HCs. I might be wrong but Marks is probably the most successful of them.
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Reasonable view. Butch would have done well in the long term but it would take him until about year 5 when he had his own recruits in place.

Of course, he's 64 now, so he would be 68 by year 5.

Butch did establish a pretty remarkable staff but his assistants weren't always popular. Everybody wanted Bill Miller fired as DC at least 2 years before he actually was. There also was a borderline riot to fire Clappy as OC scueduled after the 2000 UW game. (Although nobody actually ended up showing up.)
 
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Its just unheard of for ANY coach to have immediate success in his first year taking over a team in a COMPETITIVE power 5 conference.

Urban Meyer is the only coach to do it and never seems to have a TEAM of HIS players. He seems to do worse with a team full of his recruits. Really backwards.
 
Butch built a wonderfully talented team but the guy was a brutal gameday coach.

We would be in the exact same spot.
 
Canezum5 said:
Its just unheard of for ANY coach to have immediate success in his first year taking over a team in a COMPETITIVE power 5 conference.

Urban Meyer is the only coach to do it and never seems to have a TEAM of HIS players. He seems to do worse with a team full of his recruits. Really backwards.
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He has done well with his own recruits at OSU. With that being said he does always find a way to take over a team with great recruits. Taking over for Ron Zook and Jim Tressel (with 6 months of Fickell in between) is much better than taking over for Golden.
 
Green5 said:
Gatorhater said:
I was, and rapidly returning to, BBB. But Butch was the better long term solution because of his recruiting. Mark should have been much better in the short term because you would expect better coaching out of him. What I did not expect was the really bad staff Mark hired. If Kool had not been fired, we would not a one coach worthy of being here. I failed to appreciate Butch's skill at staffing. It might have been better than his recruiting. Okay that might be a bit much but how many NFL HC's has Saban turned out?

Mark was perfect choice for BOT and administration but he will never satisfy the fan base. He doesn't have that dog in him that Howard, JJ and Butch did. He is from St. Bobby's coaching tree. I don't remember any of them being successful HCs. I might be wrong but Marks is probably the most successful of them.
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Reasonable view. Butch would have done well in the long term but it would take him until about year 5 when he had his own recruits in place.

Of course, he's 64 now, so he would be 68 by year 5.

Butch did establish a pretty remarkable staff but his assistants weren't always popular. Everybody wanted Bill Miller fired as DC at least 2 years before he actually was. There also was a borderline riot to fire Clappy as OC scueduled after the 2000 UW game. (Although nobody actually ended up showing up.)
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He certainly did not bat a 1000 but very impressive. He is not coming back. Let's hope Mark can recruit 25% of what Butch would have.
 
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I too am sick of losing. But, let's be real here. Unless, a HC goes off to the NFL after winning a bunch of games, most new HCs are left with players that do not fit their systems and with holes from the misses that got the last guy fired. CMR is no different. It will take him two more years to show us just what his top-end looks like. Will it be ACC-Camps in the playoffs good or simply play everyone tough in the Coastal? We do not know. But, the OL and QB play has been very weak. It is not the coach that misses open receivers or rushing defenders. Waiting stinks, but that is how it is in the real world.
 
whats going on in games this year with Richt, reminds me a lot of Butch, he does things his way and program will improve as the players do
 
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