'Bout This Korn Ferry . . .

[UMFarArcher]

I understand they're about feeling out executives and coaches.

I understand they can make contacts with coaches allowing UM to keep an arm's length distance.

I understand the search committee can find out what's available, and for how much.

The committee can weigh the possibilities, and make recommendations for the next Head Coach.

But Korn Ferry's contact ability is not just limited to potential Head Coaches.

I heard an interesting scenario - what if the Head Coach is pretty much decided - and they want Korn Ferry to initiate contacts on behalf of the coming Head Coach - with top Coordinators and Position Coaches.

The continued leaks and pieces of the puzzles all indicate that Head Coach candidates are likely being measured against a proven Head Coach, and further indications are that the men who write the big checks have indicated their choice, as well as other indications that the President and AD also lean that direction in their preferences.

Of course, all candidates will be weighed and measured, as UM cannot risk another bad hire. But at least they have a standard to measure against.

What's to prevent contacts with top Coordinators and Position Coaches by Korn Ferry?

 

[User-4525]

they were hired to help find a head coach, not fill out our next football staff. Additionally, Blake will let whoever our next head coach is contact the staff members he wants. Why would we contact coordinators and assistants when we don't know who the head guy would be?

 

[UMFarArcher]

they were hired to help find a head coach, not fill out our next football staff. Additionally, Blake will let whoever our next head coach is contact the staff members he wants. Why would we contact coordinators and assistants when we don't know who the head guy would be?

WE might not know who the head guy is . . .

And if Korn Ferry was used, then inquiries could be made early - and avoid the season rush.

 

[UMFarArcher]

they were hired to help find a head coach, not fill out our next football staff. Additionally, Blake will let whoever our next head coach is contact the staff members he wants. Why would we contact coordinators and assistants when we don't know who the head guy would be?

WE might not know who the head guy is . . .

And if Korn Ferry was used, then inquiries could be made early - and avoid the season rush.

The HC would indirectly direct some of the inquiries.

 

[ghost2]

Perhaps, but that seems like we're overthinking things a bit. I think they hired K-F because they're some of the best at what they do and they can help make the search thorough, concise, and confidential. JMO.

 

[Gatorhater]

they were hired to help find a head coach, not fill out our next football staff. Additionally, Blake will let whoever our next head coach is contact the staff members he wants. Why would we contact coordinators and assistants when we don't know who the head guy would be?

I don't know. That would be the historic way, but after Golden, Blake might want to be more careful about assistants. Could not have been a lot of fun telling Al to fire Mark and Al giving him the finger. I hadn't thought about it but that would make some sense. Okay, we are hiring Butch, now let's see something about these guys he says he is bringing with him. Sure that is giving a lot of credit to someone who has spent two year sitting in the corner sucking his thumb.

 

[Cane2]

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You might be on to something Archer.

It's interesting that after leaking that they are dropping up $ 4,OOO,OOO for the incoming Head Coach, they have re-leaked it to down a drop to $ 3,OOO,OOO.

It seems the only purpose they've lowered the salary is because they have already gotten zoned in on their target coach, and no one is worth being paid more than what they are getting at $ 3,OOO,OOO for one Butch Davis.

Moreover, hasn't Blake let out NOTORIOUSLY and publicly that they've been WELL into the search process for a while now? What are the extensions of that "well into search" disclosure and development?

I do think that the perceived targeted coach may well have told them that some of his preferences, and some of these names flying in as HC applicants may be asked, most privately, whether they'd be opened to a Coordinator position. This coordinator position would pay well with that $1M reduced from the earlier leaked $4M original offer.

The return to greatness starts in 2015 with the selected coach Davis building a great staff starting in 2015, and bringing the best fruits of SWAG16 and the best from the uncommitted, as in Shavar Manuel.

Even still, can you trust these mofos not to fck up this hire? Keep their feet to the feet to the fire to demand greatness or bust.
Fly the banner in the final home to seek a return Miami to its legacy of greatness. Make Miami Great Again -- Butch Davis 2015

I understand they're about feeling out executives and coaches.

I understand they can make contacts with coaches allowing UM to keep an arm's length distance.

I understand the search committee can find out what's available, and for how much.

The committee can weigh the possibilities, and make recommendations for the next Head Coach.

But Korn Ferry's contact ability is not just limited to potential Head Coaches.

I heard an interesting scenario - what if the Head Coach is pretty much decided - and they want Korn Ferry to initiate contacts on behalf of the coming Head Coach - with top Coordinators and Position Coaches.

The continued leaks and pieces of the puzzles all indicate that Head Coach candidates are likely being measured against a proven Head Coach, and further indications are that the men who write the big checks have indicated their choice, as well as other indications that the President and AD also lean that direction in their preferences.

Of course, all candidates will be weighed and measured, as UM cannot risk another bad hire. But at least they have a standard to measure against.

What's to prevent contacts with top Coordinators and Position Coaches by Korn Ferry?

 

[mdpcane]

when asked about a potential staff, Butch answered he would have "young aggressive guys who can recruit and coach their butts off to win National Championships".

Butch has already contacted his guys and has a staff all set and ready to go -- just needing hiring details and contracts worked out....i would bet Granny's new teeth on that.

 

[Cane2]

they were hired to help find a head coach, not fill out our next football staff. Additionally, Blake will let whoever our next head coach is contact the staff members he wants. Why would we contact coordinators and assistants when we don't know who the head guy would be?

I don't know. That would be the historic way, but after Golden, Blake might want to be more careful about assistants. Could not have been a lot of fun telling Al to fire Mark and Al giving him the finger. I hadn't thought about it but that would make some sense. Okay, we are hiring Butch, now let's see something about these guys he says he is bringing with him. Sure that is giving a lot of credit to someone who has spent two year sitting in the corner sucking his thumb.

That is exactly what UM admin told Barry Jackson: One reason they couldn't fire Coley nor D'Onofrio is because the staff Al Golden put together was full of inexperienced and High School coaches who had little or no experience calling plays on any side of the ball, except for Ice, but one who was one of those former HS coaches.

I don't think they want bunch of neophytes on staff that can't challenge coordinators to do better. Haven't you seen how D'onofrio talked down to his staff in such condescending manner like he's a god himself? But, if he's not, then what do these neophyte coaches have in their ****nal to challenge him? "Huh, I don't think that this player (or this scheme) is at the standard of Miami or is a fit for Miami" What else you got young? Not much!

 

[Ibis Wingz]

I don't want to stir the pot, or give any false hope, but I have a friend who happens to work at Korn Ferry as a consultant. My friend is NOT working on the UM coaching search, but did tell me that a couple of the sports practice consultants there hold Butch in very high regard. According to my friend, these consultants have told him that Butch is the greatest evaluator of talent in the game and it's not even close, and while they recognize that the UNC thing has been a sticking point in the past, they've vetted Butch and they do not see a problem with his candidacy. He is not sure that UM will agree with their opinion that Butch is free of taint from that UNC scandal. I repeat, I am not saying that Butch will be the next head coach at UM, but this cannot hurt his chances.

 

[ghost2]

Now there's an interesting angle for Butch's candidacy - we hire Korn Ferry, one of the most legit search firms out there all so that the AD and BoT can say with a clear conscience to anyone who raises an eyebrow that Butch has been "fully vetted by respected independent sources."

 

[User-4525]

I'm sure candidates will be dying to come here once Blake James tells them they will not have full control of their staff. Maybe if we hire Mario that happens, otherwise there's no shot.

 

[Canes21]

I think we're all getting too crazy and looking into everything too much. Matt Porter recently speculated about us paying 3 mil, it wasn't a leak. Barry Jackson said his sources said 4 mil and that's all we've heard. Everyone else is like Matt and just speculating based off the past two hires.

 

[duke4heisman]

I don't want to stir the pot, or give any false hope, but I have a friend who happens to work at Korn Ferry as a consultant. My friend is NOT working on the UM coaching search, but did tell me that a couple of the sports practice consultants there hold Butch in very high regard. According to my friend, these consultants have told him that Butch is the greatest evaluator of talent in the game and it's not even close, and while they recognize that the UNC thing has been a sticking point in the past, they've vetted Butch and they do not see a problem with his candidacy. He is not sure that UM will agree with their opinion that Butch is free of taint from that UNC scandal. I repeat, I am not saying that Butch will be the next head coach at UM, but this cannot hurt his chances.

Woody alert

 

[FullyERicht]

I understand they're about feeling out executives and coaches.

I understand they can make contacts with coaches allowing UM to keep an arm's length distance.

I understand the search committee can find out what's available, and for how much.

The committee can weigh the possibilities, and make recommendations for the next Head Coach.

But Korn Ferry's contact ability is not just limited to potential Head Coaches.

I heard an interesting scenario - what if the Head Coach is pretty much decided - and they want Korn Ferry to initiate contacts on behalf of the coming Head Coach - with top Coordinators and Position Coaches.

The continued leaks and pieces of the puzzles all indicate that Head Coach candidates are likely being measured against a proven Head Coach, and further indications are that the men who write the big checks have indicated their choice, as well as other indications that the President and AD also lean that direction in their preferences.

Of course, all candidates will be weighed and measured, as UM cannot risk another bad hire. But at least they have a standard to measure against.

What's to prevent contacts with top Coordinators and Position Coaches by Korn Ferry?

I see you have moved on to the stage of denial....soon will come acceptance.

 

[Gatorhater]

Now there's an interesting angle for Butch's candidacy - we hire Korn Ferry, one of the most legit search firms out there all so that the AD and BoT can say with a clear conscience to anyone who raises an eyebrow that Butch has been "fully vetted by respected independent sources."

From your lips to God's ears. I am hoping that is exactly what they are doing. The fact that they clearly are considering him makes if very difficult to not pick him. None of the other names mentioned overwhelm the degree of superior talent gathering Butch has demonstrated. He was made his apologies, proclaimed his mistake and served his time in prison. The major hurdle would be the ncaa thing. Butch was clean here, took us through the worst ever scandal, and if they get the independent clean bill, the BOT and Blake can give the people want we want. The only people wanting Mario are the press and maybe the Cuban community -- but I think even they will be beating on pots and pans for Butch. Some Herman lovers will be disappointed, but no fan uprising will result.

If Butch fails, it is the fans' fault. If they hire anyone else and he fails, there will be no place to hide for the school.

 

[FullyERicht]

The grasping at straws is remarkable. With every day that passes it makes the cult worry.

 

[ABLECANE]

I understand they're about feeling out executives and coaches.

I understand they can make contacts with coaches allowing UM to keep an arm's length distance.

I understand the search committee can find out what's available, and for how much.

The committee can weigh the possibilities, and make recommendations for the next Head Coach.

But Korn Ferry's contact ability is not just limited to potential Head Coaches.

I heard an interesting scenario - what if the Head Coach is pretty much decided - and they want Korn Ferry to initiate contacts on behalf of the coming Head Coach - with top Coordinators and Position Coaches.

The continued leaks and pieces of the puzzles all indicate that Head Coach candidates are likely being measured against a proven Head Coach, and further indications are that the men who write the big checks have indicated their choice, as well as other indications that the President and AD also lean that direction in their preferences.

Of course, all candidates will be weighed and measured, as UM cannot risk another bad hire. But at least they have a standard to measure against.

What's to prevent contacts with top Coordinators and Position Coaches by Korn Ferry?

You don't learn, do you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-7vMQyr_LI

 

[ABLECANE]

Is Butch this bad?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrkThaBWa5c&list=RDXrkThaBWa5c#t=0

 

[UMFarArcher]

I'm sure candidates will be dying to come here once Blake James tells them they will not have full control of their staff. Maybe if we hire Mario that happens, otherwise there's no shot.

Kyle, you're missing it.

I'm not saying that UM will select coordinators and position coaches.

I'm saying the HC that's GOING to be hired - has already met with key members of the board, and when asked about his coordinator and position coaches, told them his preferences.

THEN, rather than make a contact mistake - this Kornhole outfit can make contacts with the PREFERRED coordinators/position coaches, to get a feel for their interest at a certain salary offer.

Everyone it seems is under contract currently - either with teams or with ESPN. Contacting coaches is a sticky proposition - which is why Kornhole was called in the first place - to work around those limitations.

Maybe HC contacts are not the only contacts they're making. Maybe some really hot **** coordinators as well.