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For those of you with any in depth knowledge about the team at that point, could someone please expound on the fan base's feelings on Butch and the direction of the program after the 1999 season?
 
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He would never win anything of importance and needed to go. **** after the Washington game in 2000 grassy was in full on melt down mode. That all changed when Dorsey engineered the drive vs FSU though.
 
In other words, the fan base didn't appreciate the guy until after he'd gone, and he left like a thief in the night.
 
Butch Davis always managed to improve the team as the season went on, sth. Al Golden either has not achieved so far or only achieved when the team had already lost a couple of times in the season an nothing was on the line...that is disturbing.
 
eurocane said:
Butch Davis always managed to improve the team as the season went on, sth. Al Golden either has not achieved so far or only achieved when the team had already lost a couple of times in the season an nothing was on the line...that is disturbing.
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Lets not revise what things were like under Butch at 28-0 against BC after losing 3 straight people were ready to burn down the Orange Bowl. It was that close to that season turning into massive cluster ****. Thankfully we came back and only lost 1 more that time year and found our qb of the future later that season. If we lost that BC game and 4 straight I don't know if Butch is even back for the 2000 season.
 
99 Canesfest at the Orange Bowl. All the fans were on the field with the players. We knew something special was brewing
 
We ended the 99 season on a high note with the Georgia Tech bowl win. There were certainly high expectations for Butch and the team going into 2000. Not everyone was behind him, but there were signs of improvement all over.

IIRC, there was a lot of heat on Coker at the time and during the 99 season. Chafie Fields should have never had that opportunity if Coker wasn't in love with the stretch play just like we are today. I also recall a rally on campus to oust him as OC. Funny how things worked out.
 
Who had the coaches to make changes and win in the end in 98? Who had already established enough team chemistry to come back from a deficit like that? Whose team played with anger and aggression, controlled rage and stopped BC's offense drive by drive in the second half? Who played with heart and discipline and didn´t look lost compared to this year's team last saturday? It was Butch Davis' team. Maybe we can comeback the next three weeks and win it all, who knows, but right now it does not look like that to me and it certainly begins with the head coach.
 
eurocane said:
Who had the coaches to make changes and win in the end in 98? Who had already established enough team chemistry to come back from a deficit like that? Whose team played with anger and aggression, controlled rage and stopped BC's offense drive by drive in the second half? Who played with heart and discipline and didn´t look lost compared to this year's team last saturday? It was Butch Davis' team. Maybe we can comeback the next three weeks and win it all, who knows, but right now it does not look like that to me and it certainly begins with the head coach.
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It seems like you missed this game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSm770Sa6CU
 
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Why? The d looked lost in that game also, like last saturday. No improvement. Do our players have heart , yes, but they lose their nerves to often, even in that GT game we were up 17? or 19? points and they scored about 36 in a row or sth?
 
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eurocane said:
Who had the coaches to make changes and win in the end in 98? Who had already established enough team chemistry to come back from a deficit like that? Whose team played with anger and aggression, controlled rage and stopped BC's offense drive by drive in the second half? Who played with heart and discipline and didn´t look lost compared to this year's team last saturday? It was Butch Davis' team. Maybe we can comeback the next three weeks and win it all, who knows, but right now it does not look like that to me and it certainly begins with the head coach.
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We got smashed and quit against Va Tech late in the year. Lee Corso on national tv saying the whole team quit except a guy named Portis. Granted we did lose our starting qb early in the game.
 
There was a lot of heat on Davis after his first several seasons of losing too many games. Don't let anyone fool you. There was a lot of heat on him. And it was deserved. Don't forget that he came in when expectations for our program were still sky high.

****, speaking for myself, I can tell you that I have allowed my short term expectations to fall completely in the toilet with Corch Al in the hope that he was working in the right direction and turning the corner. The VT game, however, will leave a lasting impression on me that he's a bum.

He might pull a Davis and recruit his way into a roster full of talent, but I wouldn't count on it for 2 reasons: a. He hasn't shown he's anywhere near the evaluator that Davis was. Davis was the best of all-time in that regard; b. his defense will be his undoing no matter how many stars he collects.

I think that what we have is a good guy with a good approach to building a team that just can't get it done when it counts. He's also shown a stubbornness that doesn't bode well for him by sticking with and forcing a defense on players who just aren't getting it or can't execute it.

How's our results any better than the results that got Manny Diaz rung up? Brown, for all his flaws, wasn't going to let that guy drag him or his program down. Maybe Corch Al realizes that it's not Corch Duh's fault because Corch Duh is doing what they BOTH think is right, and to scapegoat him would be unforgivable in his own mind.
 
The Franchise said:
There was a lot of heat on Davis after his first several seasons of losing too many games. Don't let anyone fool you. There was a lot of heat on him. And it was deserved. Don't forget that he came in when expectations for our program were still sky high.

****, speaking for myself, I can tell you that I have allowed my short term expectations to fall completely in the toilet with Corch Al in the hope that he was working in the right direction and turning the corner. The VT game, however, will leave a lasting impression on me that he's a bum.

He might pull a Davis and recruit his way into a roster full of talent, but I wouldn't count on it for 2 reasons: a. He hasn't shown he's anywhere near the evaluator that Davis was. Davis was the best of all-time in that regard; b. his defense will be his undoing no matter how many stars he collects.

I think that what we have is a good guy with a good approach to building a team that just can't get it done when it counts. He's also shown a stubbornness that doesn't bode well for him by sticking with and forcing a defense on players who just aren't getting it or can't execute it.

How's our results any better than the results that got Manny Diaz rung up? Brown, for all his flaws, wasn't going to let that guy drag him or his program down. Maybe Corch Al realizes that it's not Corch Duh's fault because Corch Duh is doing what they BOTH think is right, and to scapegoat him would be unforgivable in his own mind.
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Good points! It´s not that we lost, it's how we lost last saturday. Our D cordinator knew that they won´t throw over the middle a lot because Thomas sucks at it so they "invented" the passes to the rbs and TEs in the backfield. What a masterful gameplan! Our defense looked like whoo, a pass out of the backfield?, a screen pass? What´s that?, never heard of or seen it. 28 yards with a simple dump off? What is D'onofrio teaching our guys? Whatever it is, it`s not working.
 
We were absolutely ROLLING at the end of 1999. Dorsey started those last three games and looked GREAT. And then he came in for KK in the Gator Bowl and kicked more ***. Lot of momentum after the big loss to VT.
 
I think we're all in agreement that the only way to get this fixed is to bring in a new DC with a new scheme and for Al to step aside and be the CEO and leave the football coaching up to his assistants.
 
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The Franchise said:
There was a lot of heat on Davis after his first several seasons of losing too many games. Don't let anyone fool you. There was a lot of heat on him. And it was deserved. Don't forget that he came in when expectations for our program were still sky high.

****, speaking for myself, I can tell you that I have allowed my short term expectations to fall completely in the toilet with Corch Al in the hope that he was working in the right direction and turning the corner. The VT game, however, will leave a lasting impression on me that he's a bum.

He might pull a Davis and recruit his way into a roster full of talent, but I wouldn't count on it for 2 reasons: a. He hasn't shown he's anywhere near the evaluator that Davis was. Davis was the best of all-time in that regard; b. his defense will be his undoing no matter how many stars he collects.

I think that what we have is a good guy with a good approach to building a team that just can't get it done when it counts. He's also shown a stubbornness that doesn't bode well for him by sticking with and forcing a defense on players who just aren't getting it or can't execute it.

How's our results any better than the results that got Manny Diaz rung up? Brown, for all his flaws, wasn't going to let that guy drag him or his program down. Maybe Corch Al realizes that it's not Corch Duh's fault because Corch Duh is doing what they BOTH think is right, and to scapegoat him would be unforgivable in his own mind.
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Can't really disagree with anything. It must be pointed out I suppose that Butch's "creative" recruiting didnt start at UNC. Regardless, Davis knew talent when he saw it.

As for Al, I kind of knew this moment would come. Its great that he had JoePa and Al Groh as mentors but he needs to evolve and grow into more of a Saban. He needs to become a lion. South Florida isn't Happy Valley and Florida isn't Pennsylvania or Virginia. There are sharks everywhere here and every high school corch is a king unto himself here.

I have to cut him some slack due to the NCAA fiasco but that pity party is over. Every fan should expect to see drastic improvement. We can't realistically expect to win every game but for Miami to be Miami, the Wake's of the world shouldnt be close. UNC shouldn't be close. And at the very fuggin least, we should never make jags like Logan Thomas look like Vince Young.

For me, its now a matter of Golden understanding his process needs to step it up a level and start busting ***. If players and coaches are too mentally or emotionally weak to deal with the pressures of Division I football, then in the immortal words of Dan Hawkins, go play intramural brother.
 
Only two solutions..Fire Donofrio. (Not gonna happen.) Recruit such great talent that it wont really matter in the end because our talent will allow us to have one game seasons against FSU evry year. I think Al can do this. Only options at this point.

As far as Butch, we wanted Butchs a$$ fired EVERY year. Anyone saying otherwise is lying. Buddy was a bum until 99'. He had more debacles then Al at this point. (Who can forget the Syracuse a$$ kicking. Smh. I dont think we EVER beat Donovan McNabb did we? Maybe once.) After we lost to Washington, it was curtains until that FSU win. Then people starting seein the light. Maybe if Al can win out and get us a big win against a quality opponent in the bowl game we can get that same feeling again.
 
Ever since the FIU brawl which segwayed into Shapirogate, we have been more worried about off the field image as opposed to on the field performance.

We hired head coaches based on that criteria.
 
I felt like we were contenders going into '00. LOL before the season I actually called into a national sports talk radio station to make the case why Miami would win the national championship. Our talent was obvious, and the way Dorsey played down the stretch of '99, we had the right ingredients.

I think we were hoping this season was our 1999, but it doesn't look like it.
 
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