At this point, if Golden stays......(Long)

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It will be a huge letdown. Before the bowl game I was hoping for a change at DC and maybe a position coach or two thinking that would do the trick. After the embarassment against Louisville it became clear to me that Al Golden is in over his head and that a change in leadership is needed.

I mention this because a week ago I never seriously thought Golden would consider leaving. Now after having observed the developments of the last 36 hours and in reading the reactions, input and overall tone of my fellow Canes on this board it is as obvious as the nose on my face that Golden needs to take the PSU job and leave.

It's been almost surreal to witness the complete 180 we the fans have done in terms of our confidence in the future under Golden's leadership. It's as though at the same time most of us finally realized what we probably knew deep down but were so adverse to admit. That behind the cool catchphrases, 8 pillars, and countless times he had us convinced that "he gets it", there was nothing there.

We all finally realized that he couldn't organize his way to being a good coach. We all finally figured out that his obsession to over organizing was his way of trying to compensate for the fact that he has despite his experience, absolutely no feel for the game of football. No ability to see and grasp the game like good/great coaches do.

And as is usually the case with people like this they tend to substitute feel for game with blind obedience to a dogmatic set of rules. This manifested itself in his rigid fixation with his bland outdated scheme, his constant referencing of "the process", and his valuing stability over performance and a culture of dogma over a culture of winning.

What is obvious to me now is that we are just starting to figure out what the players have known for some time now. That he is not the man to lead us back to where we want to be.

In my opinion we are past the point of no return. He has lost his team and it is obvious he has lost the support of the fanbase. This program is at a crucial and strange juncture. At this point Golden has the program on the right trajectory but he lacks the ability to to take it any further. It is imperative we move on to a coach who does possess that ability before the law of diminishing returns kicks in.
 
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Solid early morning post

/Butch Davis

We need someone proven. Otherwise we won't be able to seize the moment. Thanks Alfred but your time is up
 
While I do agree with the general premise of your post, reality is this is a minuscule percentage of Canes fans on this board. The majority of fans I interact with have never heard of this site, sorry guys, and don't visit "fan sites" in general.

My general frustration comes from the fact that Golden is operating from a position of strength, holding the university and recruiting class up, when he's done little to warrant it.

I wanted to really like him, and still do to an extent, but my loyalty to him is now no greater than his loyalty to my team!
 
How do you know a coach has the ability to take it further until he does? What is further? Division, Conference or the whole **** thing? Golden is building something and bringing in good classes so if he stays, ok fine. I'd love defensive improvement by hiring a new DC or more aggressive calls/coverages, blah blah blah. If he goes he goes. Is Butch the guy? Three straight 8-5's at UNC. One year over 9 wins here 13 years ago. I'd hope so. How do we know though?
 
No coach is a proven commodity, look what just happened at Bama.

Bottom line is Golden has asked us all to be patient with the process. Don't ask me to be patient and just shrug at what happened in the bowl game and then look for another opportunity, so is my patience for him to find another job, or do the one he was hired to do?
 
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While I do agree with the general premise of your post, reality is this is a minuscule percentage of Canes fans on this board. The majority of fans I interact with have never heard of this site, sorry guys, and don't visit "fan sites" in general.

My general frustration comes from the fact that Golden is operating from a position of strength, holding the university and recruiting class up, when he's done little to warrant it.

I wanted to really like him, and still do to an extent, but my loyalty to him is now no greater than his loyalty to my team!

This. Repped.
 
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While I do agree with the general premise of your post, reality is this is a minuscule percentage of Canes fans on this board. The majority of fans I interact with have never heard of this site, sorry guys, and don't visit "fan sites" in general.

My general frustration comes from the fact that Golden is operating from a position of strength, holding the university and recruiting class up, when he's done little to warrant it.

I wanted to really like him, and still do to an extent, but my loyalty to him is now no greater than his loyalty to my team!

Great post.
 
Have we considered he knew the PSU job was likely going to be available weeks ago and didn't want to embarrass Doritos? If he doesn't get the job which I see to be highly unlikely he can announce on Monday he's been evaluating the staff and the changes we are all hoping for?
 
How do you know a coach has the ability to take it further until he does? What is further? Division, Conference or the whole **** thing? Golden is building something and bringing in good classes so if he stays, ok fine. I'd love defensive improvement by hiring a new DC or more aggressive calls/coverages, blah blah blah. If he goes he goes. Is Butch the guy? Three straight 8-5's at UNC. One year over 9 wins here 13 years ago. I'd hope so. How do we know though?

We don't. Butch is a myth whose legend has far outgrown reality. He is 2-8 in his career against UM's main divisional rival, VT. His record vs. FSU isn't much better, 2-6. People forget what a poor gameday coach he is and cling to the idea that he can still recruit like he did 15 years ago. The landscape has changed, however - the SEC is paying players too much for Butch or anyone to have that type of success again. If we just want a good recruiter, I suggest that we have good recruiters now in Golden and Colely. Where Miami is weak is in the strategy and implementation (yes, personnel too, but that will improve under Golden). Butch would be a bad hire.
 
I think a lot of us have had orange and green glasses on over the past few years. Is Golden really that "great" of a recruiter? We're getting our fair share of south florida talent this year, but we need MORE of our fair share. Cook, Rudolph, Lane, Dixon, Wilson, Jackson, Clark, and now Valentine are all leaving.

I was watching the Orange Bowl and thinking, man if these were the Butch Davis days our QB would be Bridgewater, receivers would be Cooper, Watkins, and Coley. We need a better recruiter down here, and like the OP's brilliant post, Golden isn't the man to bring us back to that elite level.
 
That's why he hired Colely. And this is the first year Golden is out from under the cloud. Good god, man. Give them a chance. As for Butch, keep dreaming. Past his prime and we are in different times.
 
At this point, does anyone really want Al Golden to stay? Especially if he keeps D'Onofrio?

If so, why?
 
But Golden is supposed to be a brilliant recruiter? Why would he need Coley? Coley is the guy we need to keep here. Golden has done an ok job. His recruiting will not improve, and we can't settle for getting half the talent that comes out of South Florida every year. Kids grow up dreaming about playing for Miami, just like Cook. We need someone to close with these kids. Cook, Lane, and Rudolph should absolutely be a part of this class. Cloud is gone, these kids all decided after the cloud was lifted. The only cloud still in Miami is D'Nofrio.
 
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As far as recruiting goes--if you can't recruit well at Miami something's wrong with you. The only tough sell at Miami is the game day atmosphere.
 
People were fed up with him after the way the final month of the season went, then the bowl game happened. People also got fed up with him over the way some recruiting battles wound up shaking out. If he comes back now, after all of this, he has to win the ACC next year or his life will be miserable.
 
I still think Golden wants to go to PSU, but I am not sure PSU wants him.

Either way, "Gus, (I mean "Al") get the **** out of my house, and take Eddie (Dorito) with you!"
 
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