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4-2-5 Defense Explained in Detail

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TCU is usually a tough *** team, considering they probably don't recruit the caliber players that other Big 12 teams do... the videos seem to shed some light on why they are successful. For someone who hasn't been in locker-room training sessions, it looks like they employ a sophisticated defensive playbook. Just wondering if Manny's defensive schemes train the players to adjust to different offenses in the same manner as TCU, or do we keep it simpler.
 
TCU has had some beastly pass rushers: Aaron Schobel, Jerry Hughes and that weird story of Tommy Blake. Could've been a top 5 NFL draft pick but he apparently had some mental issues.
 
JG13 said:
Good stuff pirahnas
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gruntking said:
TCU is usually a tough *** team, considering they probably don't recruit the caliber players that other Big 12 teams do... the videos seem to shed some light on why they are successful. For someone who hasn't been in locker-room training sessions, it looks like they employ a sophisticated defensive playbook. Just wondering if Manny's defensive schemes train the players to adjust to different offenses in the same manner as TCU, or do we keep it simpler.
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Now u know **** well it stays simple lol
 
With all the spread offenses you see today there's almost no point in running a 4-3 anymore. (or at least no point in making it your base)

You have to match personnel for personnel...so when the offense has 3-5 WR's on the field you're gonna sub in an extra DB (nickel) anyway. When you play spread offenses you're gonna find yourself in the 4-2-5 basically all game. Might as well make it your base defense if the spread if the primary offense you see on your schedule.

People like to pretend the 4-2-5 is a whole new defense but it's really just a 4-3 with a Nickel instead of a Sam LB.
It used to be a package that everybody used on 3rd down but now it's become a base for many teams. (just like the spread used to be a 3rd down offense but now it's a primary)

Ahhhh, the evolution of football. :fap:
 
Besides GT, pretty much every opponent on the schedule uses base 3 WR offense. Why Manny insisted on trotting a 3rd LB out there so often only to get beat by a short pass confused me all year. 5 db sets are the new base.
 
Now you know why smith and the other player were playing McCloud spot this spring.familiarize them on outside backer duties.not only will it help in short pass it will also help defend against the run and help contain those dual threat qbs.
 
Back when an offense's 11th man was a hulking fullback or extra tight end, you needed an extra big body out there to take on blockers at the point. Nowadays, an offense's 11th man is a slot receiver. It only makes sense to swap that extra linebacker for a safety/rover who cover the slot and still play the run.
 
I think Diaz was hoping McCloud was athletic enough (and he really is) to be a flat defender that could still play the run. The issue seemed more with his brain (read, react) than his body (speed, quickness, power).
 
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Coach Macho said:
With all the spread offenses you see today there's almost no point in running a 4-3 anymore. (or at least no point in making it your base)

You have to match personnel for personnel...so when the offense has 3-5 WR's on the field you're gonna sub in an extra DB (nickel) anyway. When you play spread offenses you're gonna find yourself in the 4-2-5 basically all game. Might as well make it your base defense if the spread if the primary offense you see on your schedule.

People like to pretend the 4-2-5 is a whole new defense but it's really just a 4-3 with a Nickel instead of a Sam LB.
It used to be a package that everybody used on 3rd down but now it's become a base for many teams. (just like the spread used to be a 3rd down offense but now it's a primary)

Ahhhh, the evolution of football. :fap:
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Also Teams basically use like a mix of the 425 and 43 when they are dropping that hyrbrid safety/lb down. I mean when you really think about it Sure you can label Derrick Smith as a LB or a Safety, but if he's on the field for us and we have 2 other LBs on the field, we essentially are running a 425. It just may have a different allingment, depending if the offense has 3 WRs, he splits out to over the WR, Otherwise the allignment will be like a normal 43.

However I don't think the 425 will be our Base unit. I just think basically whats going to change from last yr to this yr, is we aren't going to be running base 43 when the offense comes out 3 wide. We will be running AT LEAST the 425 look with Derrick Smith, or even maybe like Amari Carter at that "sam" role who can play nickel. Otherwise we'd just run a normal nickel defense with Bandy in the slot.
 
Any word on if 4-2-5 will be our new base. I know there have been some rumors, but I haven't seen where this is confirmed.
 
Milkcane said:
Any word on if 4-2-5 will be our new base. I know there have been some rumors, but I haven't seen where this is confirmed.
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Sure seems like it to me.

Smith, Wilder, Finley were practicing in this new hybrid role since day 1 of spring.
 
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