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Who said 8 and 4 is a standard to be comfortable with? Not one single person in this thread. Believe me, UF and FSU's usual talking point of same ol Miami will be significantly diluted if we beat them both (not to mention 8-4 would probably be a better record than both of them). The other...

What were What were Saban's, Oregeron's, Kirby's, and Dabo's records their first season w their current teams ? Y'all really expect Manny to come in here and have a Lincoln Riley like first season ? And where did I say the goal was to outrecruit the coastal teams ? Pretty sure I was saying...

I really hope Trevor Lawrence has a substantial insurance policy, bc teams are going to basically instruct their defenses to take him out. He's going to be the recipient of some vicious hits (some of them cheap). Take him out, Clemson suddenly becomes very pedestrian on offense.

Definitely my least preferred scenario. On the one hand you get double digit wins, win the coastal. You get to show you've made progress. On the other, it's going to be ANOTHER Clemson beatdown in NC, and we lose to both rivals.

I'd take that, too.

We will always out recruit the other teams in the Coastal. Whether we lose to them or not. Al. Ways. Jimbo lost 4 games how many years losing too putrid Atlantic teams, and was still pulling in the big boys, mainly bc he beat our *** every season which is what he was selling (among other...

Sure. If 8-4 is the scenario, then yes. I'd take 4 conference losses in exchange for a BEATDOWN of UF and FSU. Those are the biggest recruiting rivals we have right now. We're not losing or winning any recruits to UNC, GT, Duke, VT, or UVA. Need those state bragging rights. I personally...

I'll take 8-4 in Manny's first season so long as we beat UF and FSU.