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While I agree Coker shouldn't be absolved, the convo wasn't about him in the 1st place...the team was one year away from b2b 9 win seasons, 3 years away from double digit win seasons, and 5 years removed from playing for a ship. The man had no sanctions to deal with and as much fanbase and HS...

I apologize for missing KP in the original post, did not see that. Talent down, but easily fixable. Which is why I'm not basing any single arguement I have against Randy Shannon as a coach OR recruiter based on his 1st 1-2 year records at the helm.

You leave the others out huh? And again you are missing the whole point of my arguement.

Again I'm not judging Shannon by what he did here his first year or 2. My point about him walking into a decent "situation" is more than about the talent on hand. And I guess you are leaving Kenny Phillips out, Sharpton out, Spencer Adkins out, etc...As well as serviceable players like Randy...

I don't like "Folden" either...But shannon was worse. I don't care how much money they had nor am I defending other coaches...So stop staying that dumb **** as part of your little weak arguement.

Well I'm sure you are going to tell us it's race right?

Lol, you haven't provided any truth.

Shannon was 5 years removed from glory and had all hometown support...Golden was recruiting against sanctions and 10 years removed from glory years, and hadn't had even a 10 years season in what 7 years? Do I have to break this down further? Shannon had all of Sofla support and turned that...

Lol...what does a game against a team 9 years apart have to do with one another? I spoke on the game in the context of the time it was being played. Shannon imo is by far the worst coach in UM history...Had every chance in the world to bring UM up from a depth that was nowhere near where he...

Nah, the '09 season was "decent"...But most everyone knew the guy was a bum and was capable of sliding backwards record wise. From about mid year 2 of Shannon regime, it was continual hot seat, as it was apparent the man was in over his head. After buying some time and having that "decent"...

Nah, it's nowhere near a fact, you are just wrong here...Fall off from the GREAT years from Coker's poor recruiting and misses (along with UM insisting on being a little more stringent academically than many schools)? Of course...Walking into a perfect situation? No...Walking into a decent...

Who said "great???" Time for change? Yes...Was coker ever a "Great" coach...no. But definitely nowhere near a mess...1000% not a mess for Shannon...Only a couple years removed from top 5-7 status, no sanction issues, decent (if not spectacular) amount of talent on hand. off of back to back...

Nah, again...Look at his classes after the first one. So much dead weight. You know it is possible he was both a bad head coach and a bad recruiter, right? Actually it's not just possible it was the case. There were articles written when Golden became head coach about how LOCAL, AS IN DADE...

Nope, Randy Shannon was just an outright abysmal recruiter. Besides the year when the whole Northern part of Dade signed up to play for the hometown hero, the man was atrocious. Saying he could recruit was pure delusion on your part.

Shannon couldn't recruit to save his life