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Isn't this the whole point though? I didn't see D$ or anyone else argue that we are some sort of elite team (the argument was whether we are above-average or not). But the point that D$ and myself in this thread - and I saw Lance make the same argument in another thread - is how can we not be...

You don't care about the Vegas spreads, which rate teams according to power ratings (taking wins and losses out of the equation). You don't care about the AP or coaches poll, both of which have us ranked 12th. You don't care about yardage differential, which shows we have outperformed ND vs...

VT is a 2.5 point favorite at L’Ville this week, and UNC opened as a 4 point favorite at UVA (already moved to -7). We were bigger favorites against both teams. VT is on upset alert. I don’t disagree with your overall premise - that we aren’t a top 10 team, and that Manny leaves a lot to be...

There’s a big difference between saying “anybody between No. 5 and No. 60 can beat each other on any given Saturday,” which is true, and that because of this, all these teams are average or of the same caliber, which is not true. Indiana beat PSU yesterday. PSU’s post game win expectancy was...