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you were referring to him as DE. he was never a DE in HS. there was confusion around it. he told me himself he didnt get why he was referred to as one.

he wasnt recruited as DE, he got moved their because of injuries. Guess who told me this, Pat Joyner himself. He was never suppose to be a DE. I forget, he flipped from FSU so we dont care. we just care about the guys with the fake bama offers like cager and dean.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/227064/patrick-joyner Try again

mccloud wasnt a stud but the fans here dont realize the injuries. first off, its hard to pitch players to come and be backs ups to a young trio unless you are winning like bama or clemson. Do people forget joyner was a 4 star flip from FSU? Steed was well-regarded but had injuries problems...