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Honestly Miami was up there in NFL draft picks above the vote blue bloods for a long time. Our recruiting has been on par with them as far as 247, rivals, ect for a long time. All-time wins Miami isn't near Bama or Michigan. Last quarter of the century 20th until now we are comparable (and more...

That's barely relevant. Championship coaches fund way to start winning games even with loser players. The slow build hasn't been a thing for 40 years. However you want to frame the slow build isn't done by championship teams. The data is there. I guess I can phrase it this way: Can you name me...

It's specific to the championship coach at the championship school. You are misunderstanding what is being presented. The chart also shows what teams were inherited by the coaches when they took over. Pete Carroll took over a 5 win USC team. Saban took over a 6 win and fresh off probation...

So you looked at the chart and it showed Jim Harbaugh at San Diego, or Nick Saban at Mich St, or Urban Meyer at Bowling Green, or Jimbo at TAMU? If not then Mario at Oregon seems irrelevant. You're missing the point all together. Perhaps on purpose. This alternate account you're working...

So the group that lost to FIU(I called for Mannys head before that) beat FSU so bad they fired their coach. The group that got blown out by MTSU two years later was Mario Mario coached and also got blown out by 42 points to FSU. Can you not read the chart? Championship level coaches start...

I'm sure that's what is in Mario's mind, verbatim.

So Mario is having trouble winning games because we are only recently putting up big money in the football department? I can make an argument against that but it wouldn't be relevant to the discussion. What have championship coaches done? They all had adversity of one kind of another. Many...

Much of what you're saying may be true. But not really relevant to the discussion here.

Nobody knows what this new era will be like. That's what Mario has going for him. Maybe college football is going to be so different that the past statistics become meaningless.

Yes, this is a data-driven discussion not a hypothetical driven discussion. So would Nick Saban have won a national championship at Michigan State? Irrelevant. The OPs chart goes back 25 years. It's 100% My chart goes back 123 years but the last 40 (since 1983) and it's **** near 90% at 40...

I don't know but statistically probably not. Though Saban is a generational coach of such magnitude that I can't count him out. He suffered multiple blowout losses every year there. Even so he clearly built them up into a force within the conference. What he learned there helped shape him into...

I misread your list. Most wins at any school. Okay. I'll give you that. What Mario did at Oregon is irrelevant to what he's done at Miami. Actually the best thing he's done at Miami is talk about his time at Oregon. To answer specific questions you have to look at specific data. What did...

If you look at my similar chart here you'll notice Saban and Urban are the twice for LSU, Bama, OSU, and UF. Fisher is only there once for FSU. Mac Brown is only there once for Texas. How did they do at the school they won a ring at. Not how they did as a head coach at their other stops. What...

No not at all. Look at the win total before the coach took over for that answer. Unfortunately that's not a thing. Maybe you can find an outlier or two but no.

Yeah this says it all. I really don't understand why so many people keep chirping for Mario. At this point people are willingly claiming losses as wins and saying wrong don't matter. If you point to Manny as an example for how bad Mario is all they see is "you are defending Manny" instead of...

That's kinda our only hope with Mario at this point. The OP mentioned that.