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also, as gm, drafted a grand total of *checks notes* 2 miami hurricanes from the most loaded college football teams of all time. joaquin in the 7th round of 2002 and kellen in the 1st in 2004. browns also got james jackson and andre king in 2001 before he was gm. most notably, butch passed on ed...

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i think streeter only got significant game time at the end of 09/bowl game. and that year unc's entire front 7 were nfl guys with 5 of them going 1st and 2nd round.

i'm not over here trying to defend any of our coaching staffs after coker, but you still haven't shown where we out-talented unc for those years. i linked the rosters, made my point, and you are dodging a very simple question that would make your point: where between 2007 and 2010 did miami hold...

that awful 09 fsu team and oklahoma without sam bradford are hardly wins to write home about. georgia tech is the only decent win of that season and they were still a 3-loss team. still waiting for that roster comparison, btw. sorry to keep poking holes in your paper-thin arguments even when...

so you didn't look at the rosters, just plugging your ears and believing what you want. also, they beat us by 9 and we went into that game at 7-2 while they were 6-3. you're hardly making a case for yourself. https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/293180153

go through those rosters and name where we had a clear talent advantage.

that's not what i said. you're the one arguing that unc had far less talent than we did when butch beat us. i'm arguing that they're comparable overall, and that their best players were far better than our best ones. so unless you're saying that those 07-10 canes rosters are just full of...

there's a point that we're both wrong on: golden never coached against butch's unc. randy and butch each coached 4 years at the same time. technically butch made it to 2011, but was fired in the summer before the season started. i went back and edited up the chain. here's a year-by-year...

so i'm confused now because farther up the thread we have guys waxing poetic about butch building a monster at unc and stacking talent there, only to be unjustly booted by the scandal, and now he had far less talent than*al golden's* (correction: randy shannon's) dog **** teams. he's a has...

i'd argue that his unc teams had comparable talent to *golden's* (correction: randy's) overall and far superior high-end talent.

i'm fully convinced that a significant number of people on this board would let butch bang their wife, take a massive dump on their chest, and ask for seconds.