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I'll agree the admin is inept but it makes zero sense to me they actively don't want a premier football program and all the $$ that goes along with that.

It had zero to do with it. Do we really need to watch the big OB send off game again? Or the Kernobyl game that same year? Or us crapping away the ACC title to a mediocre GT team in '05? Or the listless losses to VT and FSU in '06? I was there for each and every one and the OB couldn't provide...

No not at all. But is Urban Meyer walking through that door?

Can't really argue. Bags are absolutely a factor in trying to recruit some elite kids but there's been enough talent year in year out to win the coastal most years and it's been a rarity.

I mean there's some of that yea? 6 and 8 don't even see the field anymore on offense. And on the OL I don't think there's the luxury of sitting anyone. Same at LB. But overall I agree. I don't know this first hand, and I would love to hear more of what you've heard, but you do get the sense that...

No my point is the opposite. We recruit enough talent but something happens when they get here. At least enough talent to win the coastal most years. There's a systemic problem that goes beyond coaching or administration.

Yea that's fair, but Shannon did some of that hard-a$$ stuff he learned from Jimmy and guys didn't respond to that at all. I'm not sure if you could do that with today's egos and literal endorsement contracts before they even set foot on campus. I know Saban does some of that, and there's...

I think just saying "it's the administration" is again oversimplification. The admin isn't dropping passes and blowing coverages and getting pancaked by 2 star recruits. And it's not like we're having to deal with hoping AJ Highsmith can play safety or Khalil Jones can catch passes anymore...

You think Shalala has an ongoing conspiracy to keep UM football down?

Yeah that's a good question, a really good question. But my point is, a guy like that sees how we're playing, not physical and tough and with an edge game to game, and decides I need to go elsewhere where they play like I play.

But again, none of them were here in 2005 when that sh*t ball was big enough to start rolling. Not denying the admin is part of the problem, but again just part of it. It's bigger and deeper than that.

Somewhere in the second quarter I think, I was doing what I seemingly do most games, and most seasons over the past 15 years or so. I'm waiting for this team to wake up. I'm waiting for everything to click and the team to show that they're the ones with the superior athleticism, size, talent...