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Also: "Here's the list ive been keeping for some time now. havent revisited it since signing day last year, so not sure if anything has changed since then. some uncertainty around Jaelan Phillips, Asa Martin, Crispian Atkins, and Clay James for me." Jaelan Phllips and Asa Martin enrolled, and...

I'm just pointing out when the rules began, in 2012. Thus, the concept of countbacks before that time did not apply. I'm not sure if they gave us a "free five countback" in 2012 if you did not sign 25 in 2011. Seems like that would be a reasonable transition rule. Also, there is the mid-year...

Per Derek's post, and assuming everything to be correct, he is saying: In 2014, we had 4 IC countbacks to 2013. All spots filled in. In 2017, we had 3 IC countbacks to 2016. All spots filled in. In 2018, we had 3 IC countbacks to 2017. All spots filled in. In 2019, we had 2 IC countbacks to...

1. Initial Counter rules did not start until 2012 signing class. 2. Can only count back 5 enrollees to prior year.

1. The IC rules were instituted in mid-2011, so Golden's first Signing Class in 2011 doesn't even count. Thus, Grooms/Kinard/Gadbois do not count as ICs, because the IC rule didn't exist. I listed 2011 in case that explained why we exceeded 25 in 2012. Regardless, Grooms/Kinard/Gadbois never...

Your entire post is irrelevant as it relates to Miami. Miami didn't have any non-qualifiers. Miami didn't have any grayshirts. Miami didn't have any blueshirts. I don't care about some LSU article when Miami wasn't doing any of that SEC garbage. What I am saying is that WHILE IT MAY HAVE...

You are wrong. First, the whole "Richt did not max out initial counters" is silly. The Rivals signing lists for 2016-2018 show 19, 24, and 23 guys. Plus we took transfers like Adrian Colbert, George Brown Jr., Vinnie Testaverde, and Gerald Willis, among others. You can only count back 5 guys...

You are wrong. We have "played with fewer than 85 recruited scholarship players" because a ton of kids leave UM, and we don't have the numbers UNDER THE INITIAL COUNTER RULES to get back to 85. So just do the math. There are idiots on this board who claim that we have between 1 and 5...

Don't know yet. But you're going to go full-****** and claim something that has not yet happened. ****, we could give out 35 scholarships, but we can only enroll 25, plus December grad replacements. Someone tried to claim Michael Irvin is graduating in December, but if he comes back to play...

Typical gaping behavior by you. The number is 25, and is not increased by idiot CIS porsters who go back and count numbers on Rivals, and then falsely claim "countbacks". I have ALWAYS cited and NEVER DENIED the existence of the mid-year graduation replacement exception. But we don't know if...

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D112.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oversigning

https://www.si.com/college/2019/02/18/transfer-portal-scholarship-limits-initial-counter-rule

You are correct, sir. Outside of the stink of "asking a kid to leave", the intent of the mid-year replacement rule is to allow a kid who graduates (and usually that means he has used up all of his eligibility or else is entering the draft, though it could obviously be a guy who has never...

"in certain situations" = Mid-year graduation replacement exception "a bit more attrition" = meaningless comment, as "a bit more attrition" doesn't change the IC rules

Again, you use the word "signees". Except that's wrong. It's enrollees. Always has been under the IC rules. 25, plus December grads.

No, it's not. "Asked to leave" only frees up spots on the 85-man roster. We are STILL limited to signing 25 guys under the Initial Counter rules. We can go PAST 25 if we are (a) at the 85 scholarship number (and we are because we give scholarships to walk-ons, same as 95% of the other teams)...

We are not wrong. We are right. The number is 25 and can ONLY increase via mid-year graduate replacement exception, and NOT through countbacks. In a few weeks, go and grab a December graduation program, look up the names, and then tell me how many football players are graduating and leaving...

Go blow yourself. This board is full of idiots who have only been looking up the number of NSD signees, and then falsely claiming that we have 5 countbacks for the past 10 years. It isn't true. We are out of countbacks.