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No.. '81" team was very underrated and some astute people in the UM world told me were the best team in the country that year. I think we lost two games by less than ten points.

Otto didn't have the great career in college that he did in the pros. I think he really rose to that rarefied pinnacle when concentrated on center with Raiders. I wonder if Daytona Cane has an opinion. Her late husband started on the same offense as Otto in or around 1958.

then I match you with Bill Cichoke.

Tackling machine in that Super Bowl.

This is an absolutely amazing thread....just the fact we've had such talent that we have a legitimate debate.

I see some Hendricks-like qualities in how GR plays the position--his reach, flexibilty, balance, bend, etc.

I probably would have suggested Ted Hendricks over Ed Reed or Sean Taylor. Many on hear are too young to remember Ted....but all three were super-great.