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It was a Hail Mary. Just knock the f-n ball down.

Agreed. Although I’d give Carroll uber credit for what he did at USC and Seattle. Two brain farts costs him a NC vs Texas and a SB vs New England. Consecutive NCs and SBs.

I rate Johnson the second best coach in Miami history. 1b, actually. I rate Schnelly 1a because he took over a program at the bottom, nearly discarded, and won a NC in five years. There might not be a football program had Schnelly failed to make the Canes respectable, let alone win a NC...

No argument. And no coincidence FSU (and UF) had their runs from 93-99 when Butch was rebuilding. Speaking of the Noles, as much as I hate them I really miss the days when Miami-FSU were both Top 5 teams and the winner has a chance at the NC.

What's your point? I'm only saying the loss to Penn State in the '86 Fiesta was all on Jimmy. He was in charge. He could have elected to not play Vinny. He could have benched Vinny during the game. He could have called for a different game plan. He could have called for different plays at the...

Schnelly recruited for a different scheme and philosophy. But he did leave Jimmy a lot of players: Kosar, Testaverde, Jerome Brown, Eddie Brown, Alonzo Highsmith...

I don't why you're hung up on this. No one questions JJ and Butch's recruiting skills, and no one says Erickson was their peer in that subject.

Haha. I am just trying to give credit and blame where due. Erickson certainly had his failings, namely recruiting and player discipline. He was an excellent game day coach and an offensive innovator. This doesn't mean he succeeded or failed 100%. He had bad games as coach ('90 at BYU, '94...

The blame would have to be placed as Dennis' feet. Does this mean Dennis gets credit for the 91 NC? I keep reading he won both NCs with Jimmy's players.

Fair enough. As painful as it is to write, Alabama was the better team. The 92 Miami team was on it's last legs by the time the Sugar Bowl started. Could have lost to FSU, Penn State. Arizona, and Syracuse. I'm not crowning Dennis as the Sid Gillman of the late 80s but he was an excellent game...

That's on Jimmy. It was his decision to start Vinny, not bench Vinny, and let Vinny keep throwing.

Alabama's defense would have eaten up a run-first game plan, IMO.

Schnelly over Butch. Schnelly won a NC five years after the school nearly dropped to D2, or dropped the program altogether. He won the NC as a 17-point underdog to one of the best teams in CFB history. Schnelly created The State of Miami. Schnelly created The U. I have the utmost respect...