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I agree with a lot of what you are saying man, especially about our specific team, but o do believe the PAC hasn't produce for awhile and I would still give the benefit of the doubt to the ACC.

Sounds like a bunch of excuses, we aren't the only ones who think the PAC is WAC. The NFL thinks so too. More players in the league from the ACC than the WAC 12.

I would agree with that, for sustained success you need both to uphold those principles and to win.

They changed the staff, but then started to win. Winning definitely helps.

Nah, PAC has proven to be the worst over and over again. Their champ lost to ASU. Whether it's only Clemson or not the PAC doesn't even have that to claim. I would even venture to say UNC played Clemson closer than even the almighty Cristobal Oregon team would. People forget how Clemson with...