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I hear you and understand what your saying but we had those same defencies and maybe worst last year when we beat it was a touchdown or field goal away from beating these teams and i think we are better this year! Do you disagree?

Outside of unc Clemson and maybe Pitt after losing their best QB since Dan Marino, i don’t see anyone in the ACC better then us, if manny could beat these boys in his terrible schemes you telling Mario is going to struggle after adding all of this talent

Withy hat being said 11-1 ceiling 9-3 at the worst

There is not a team outside of Clemson that is better then us in the ACC